Hard to get hired elsewhere while on a long term leave of absence and no potential availability date in sight. Phone never rang before my LOA. I have a JB friend contemplating going to EDV or ENY. I’d consider that, or something like Kalitta, until a real major called, if I had the ability/availability. But I’m stuck for years. I hope when I come back I’ll come back to a good airline, with a good contract, and decent seniority. But hope is not a valid method. If I wasn’t stuck, I don’t know if I’d give up my seniority here for a regional or 2nd rate cargo outfit...it’d take a lot of soul searching and thought. But it’s sad that’s even being contemplated by some of us.

Endeavor and Envoy and Kalitta and hope a real airline calls or that the flow works?

Look I totally get that life is tough right now but sometimes I feel we aren’t even being rational.

I realize people will counter that and say it’s a picture of how bad things are but I think we are getting a little carried away.

Anyway if you feel that is the best path I really hope it works out for you.

To quote another Paine

These are the times that try men’s souls.
It’s tough guys but I honestly think it will get better.

You clearly don't understand this industry if you are seriously asking that question. The other guys have explained already. Attrition is relatively low here but it isn't for lack of trying.

Envoy is advertising $110k first year total comp. Endeavor is upgrading as fast as you have the time (unaware of their first year total comp but I am comfortable claiming it's more than ours and likely closer to Envoy's). The pay at the regionals has become competitive to JB.

It takes 3-4 full years here on the 190 to eclipse total first year pay at UA/DL. Think about that. When it comes to your W-2 over a career, picking a regional like Envoy or Endeavor over one like JetBlue might make sense. And the fact that argument can be made is a pathetic statement about our current condition.

As I said I'm stuck, and so it can't work out for me since I can't do it. It's something I said I'd consider if I had the ability/availability and that a couple friends are considering. But going to a regional and getting TPIC that some of us don't have, potentially a new type, and/or getting some international/heavy time with the K4 option, and making as much as junior JetBlue FOs are making, all while helping with a legacy/FDX/UPS app, isn't too irrational imo. In many people's opinions, those additional application points/filled squares are worth more than JetBlue seniority (or juniority, rather, with our expected growth based on what we know right now about our future), and the gamble in search of more app points and filling more squares *may* be worth it.

No one will know how a JB career (or any airline career) plays out in the next 5/10/20/30 years. Staying here could be great. Or it could suck...a lot. The DL/AA/UA/SWA/FDX/UPS path seems a lot better with a lot more clarity based on attrition and contracts alone...contracts that our management have shown they are unwilling to pay, not because they can't afford it, but because they think we are worth less than real major airline pilots.

All we have is hope. Hope for a contract. Hope for management who can start steering this rudderless ship. Hope for restoration of culture. Hope that we get valued like other airline pilots. Hope for increased growth. Again, hope is not a method. Hope doesn't pay bills. Hope doesn't secure my family's future. Airplanes don't fly with hope in the tanks. Actively taking steps to a more promising career at the aforementioned airlines vs sitting at JetBlue and hoping...irrational? Maybe. HOPEfully in 6 months we can revisit this post and talk about how our awesome CBA proves me wrong, but I wouldn't bet the farm on that.

But you would also be going to those other places and hoping it works out. That’s all I’m saying. You don’t see me arguing about going to the big guys I’m just saying sometimes you need to take a step back and look at what you are contemplating.

I came from a regional with a great contract (apparently not as good as the amazing expressjet one) I would still leave that place as soon as I could. Now we can talk all day about staying and getting pic and all of that but to leave jetblue to go back there just seems crazy. But I mean I only did 7.5 years at one so what would I know.

Except the argument was about going to a regional from jetblue.
There are a bunch of mights could may and other qualifiers in this.
My point was and I made it in the other post to leave here to go to a regional to hope the flow works or whatever’s seems crazy. Do I like that people are even thinking that no but group think can go a little insane. Like Trump will deport everyone or Obama will take all the guns. It’s quick dirty and attention grabbing.

Obviously I thought this would have been done by Jan this year and I was wrong but at the same time the union never said this would be easy. I can’t argue the knowns and it’s obvious that we have a ton of unknowns here and pilots hate unknowns. But I still think to act lake it’s going to always be this way is a mistake and you should be careful what moves you make. Now if the big guys call go for it but the regional move I’m just not sure.

You also upgraded fairly quickly here if I'm not mistaken. I don't think #3,601 who just started here (or anyone after him) will touch a tiller anytime soon. The math is different than it was 5 years ago (or even 2 for that matter). The major hiring is just starting. If I had no TPIC, I'd stay even at a bottom feeder regional and get it (or go to one with a flow and a quick upgrade). JetBlue wouldn't even be on my radar. Only way I'd apply to JetBlue in this environment is if I had TPIC and lived in BOS/NY, then I'd be here until DL/AA called. If I was junior here and could leave I'd do everything I could to get hired elsewhere, potentially even leaving for TPIC or different experience (a la K4 if cargo was my desire). That would depend on my individual/family situation and my appetite for risk/reward.

I don’t disagree with you. Only thing I would say is if this hiring wave does come will the Tpic still be important? Guys have gone to the big guys without it while others fully qualified can’t get a job. This is however one of the dangersof coming to jetblue if you don’t have the qualifications to leave(you could make an argument that’s why jetblue hires guys like that) but Delta has hired guys with most likely less qualifications than guys down at OSC right now. Like I was saying it’s a lot of hope and theory and maybe right now.

But what I do really think as some have posted on here (not you)is that if a current pilot here will not be happy even with say a Delta style contract it is most definitely a good idea to go if you can. I guess it all depends on what makes each of us happy.

has anyone heard back after submitting the background paperwork?

ATR driver you seriously don't believe what you are saying? If you think first year pilots at Envoy are making over 100 grand you are on crack. . They are NOT!!!!!I CANNOT you spout this crap. I know your love of the REGIONALS though....COMMON MAN.

Do your homework “it keeps getting better” the regionals first year compensation is higher than ours. This place has become toxic. The only thing that may make this place ok again is quickly getting a CBA. It’s gonna be an interesting summer that’s all I can say

Reading comprehension (among other things) sure isn't your strong suit.

I said "Envoy is advertising $110k first year total comp."

That is according to the post card they sent me. I don't know the specifics of that and I didn't claim to.

First year gross pay at JB is $46,250.

I'm sure there is some creative accounting in the Envoy numbers but what they're advertising is more than double JB 1st year. It was all part of the point I was trying to make about how it #keepsgettingbetter here. Maybe your blue juice overdosing has poisoned your critical thinking that much. (I am not going to Envoy :D)

Why the obsession with me anyhow? It's weird. And judging from your writing it sounds like you're the one on crack.

No word back yet. I think most people are saying the response time is approximately 4 weeks though, so we still have a little bit of time to go. I would say at this point not hearing anything isn’t necessarily a bad thing, a quick response is probably a thanks but no thanks.

I just finished Phase II it took about a month. I’m assuming you are in Phase II

I am, I was in the 2-14 interview and got the call for phase 2 on 2-23. I’m guessing based on what I’ve read that I’ve still got about another week or 2 before I hear any word back.

Which regional was it that was providing hotel rooms if you had to commute in the night before?

You made it personal long ago with me dude. Stalking me and thinking you know me and what I stand for.....I have extended a PM to have you be a man after you called me out. So you can stop with all the false stuff you have said about me.

You hide. You have my name and my number.......

There is very little threat to giving out your personal info when you come on here to sing this bottom feeding company's praises. Maybe they will send you out to San Jose to waste money with Bonnie as a reward.

Tough guy I see the power of hiding.

...says the "internet tough guy" who hides behind the screen name "hyperboy". When you use your "real" first and last name in your postings...then you can call other out for this. Until then, you're just another hypocritical company ass-clown.

Hey jetblue...FUPM,

FC

Dude, I could care less what YOU think of me. But you are the type of dude who jetblew will put into a CP office one day, and I would rather not end up on the "secret fire list". Make you a deal, once I get hired by a real airline, and get off probation there, I will give you my name and we can compare W2's. After 1 year at a real airline I bet mine is bigger.

You are so sad. Give me a call and we can chat about how inaccurate you are........Some how with the way you act you will go nowhere (cause you are probably all talk) and stay here and make us all miserable.

I am looking forward to a great CBA! I did not know that the money made defined you as a man. Go W-2's!

Wow....

Guess I should have upgraded a couple of years ago too huh?....

I dont go to work to get paid in "culture" so yeah, W-2's is where its at.

Or in the case of Jetblew where its not.

Keep up the good fight, Robin may give you a ride on the yacht he buys with our lack of retirement for your efforts.

My efforts?.....What are you doing? You are the problem, not me.

You and southerner are the problem. If everyone dislikes you....guess what it’s you not them

Gas = 25 points

Future chief pilot Hyper = -15 points

Gas for the win.

Just fact checked the Envoy 110k first year (which I already knew was not correct) and it shows 60k (including per diem.) Nowhere on Envoy, APC or anywhere for that matter is advertising total compensation of $110,000. Take the plunge and do us all a favor and head to Envoy and flow in 10 years while the rest of us fight for what we deserve.

I get it we are all frustrated with how JB is handling negotiations, and yes our first year pay is a complete joke, but try to be rational. Let JB put the spin on reality, not contribute and spin between ourselves.

How much does Jetblue consider the aptitude test. That thing was hard. If they rely on that at all, I’m done...

It's considered, but as for how much? Who really knows. It's probably a case by case basis.

As long as you wore blue latex gloves to the interview you're good.

So for those who interviewed on 3-14, how about posting if you got the phase 2 invite. I must say the interview team were very organized and friendly. Hope to be on board. Best of luck to all who interviewed...

http://i66.tinypic.com/2i7qm2t.jpg

Unless the guy who texted me this photo is a master at photoshop, I don't know what to tell you.

I don't have your name or number. I don't know you, never met you, and haven't stalked you (that's a helluva claim!).

I can tell what you stand for by the words you post here though. :rolleyes:

That’s hilarious, they also include per diem as compensation as well as advertising an upgrade to AA 777 Captain in 18 years on their flow chart. I guess I was wrong regarding direct entry wizards who make 65k, get a 45k sign on bonus then year 2 go back to 70k. Seems worth it, you going to go back to eagle?

You're totally missing the point. No one here is planning to go to another regional.

That recent BP post was right...... Who needs Ford & Harrison when you've got pilots like we've got?

I give up.

Seems like it varies... I interviewed March 1. Phase 2 call this morning. 10 business days...

I think his point was about honest advertising.

HAHA it sure was! half way through I just laughed because it was so ridiculous... specially the part where you're answering math questions, keeping the little airplane from hitting stuff, marking the waypoints, and counting airplanes. I was like dang i think I'm ready to fly the space shuttle. :D

I thought they’d throw me out of the building after that stupid test! Been here almost 2 years. Don’t sweat it.

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Hey all, anyone else had trouble signing the fingerprint disclosure? (Have you ever been convicted of.....)

Thanks!