The E-190 will get you off reserve sooner, has better trips for junior guys (more productive, no redeyes, etc.), and you will build seniority/QOL sooner on the E190 than the bus.

As of the last system bid, the most junior pilot to hold the bus in FLL had just over 1 year on property. The most junior guys in MCO were 2 years for the E190 and 4 years for the bus.

If you want FLL, bid the bus. If you want MCO, bid the 190 (you can always swap over to the bus later).

2+ years ago I had a choice and went 190. No regrets and no plans to goto the bus now. But I live in the Boston area.

If I lived in Florida, particularly FLL, I think I’d opt for the Bus. What Donuts said plus when we get a contract the pay differential between the two is expected to increase. Also if you intend to go elsewhere I would think the Bus type might be a bit more of a plus on the resume

One data point regarding the Bos 190 is we do have a number of trips with overnights in Florida bases…

Clearly recruiting has hit rock bottom, so hopefully that means a contract is near! Let us know what you get awarded so the captains there can BOLO for you. :rolleyes:

I think the JB 320 is a better stepping stone.

Jesus Effing Murphy!! Can you Negative Nancies just keep the sh!tty posts in your threads, and not contaminate the threads of those who are trying to get to JB and improve their lives, and who actually believe in the company? You may not realize it, but those of you who are SO negative are in the minority at JB. You are only the majority here at APC.

If you have nothing constructive to say, then go post in the “latest and greatest” thread, or any of the myriad other ones that are contaminated by the 12 people here who think life sux so badly. Meanwhile, the new hires will keep coming, pushing you up on the SL, and you can make fun of them on the line. If you have the balls to do it in person, which I seriously doubt.

/rant over

You are definitely Jetblue material. Happy jetting!

Walk in any 320 cockpit and you will clearly see how ****ed everyone is... a clear FUPM is visible...and it’s catching on:)

12?!? Wait til you finally put on that blue shirt and you’ll see there are a lot more than 12 who are pi5$ed off. Enjoy your first blue summer on reserve...should go swimmingly!

It was more than 12 of us that showed up to picket. I believe the words "historic" and "record breaking" were thrown around. But yeah, we are in the minority.

To the new hires, welcome aboard. Keep your apps warm and be ready for a fight.

12, as in the number of JB whiners on here.

Look, I get it, the lack of a contract after 3+ years sucks. And I feel for you folks because of that. But it WILL come. Others have waited longer.

I’m not there, and I don’t know what “the suck” is like, but I talk to JB pilots in person who say it is not as bad as portrayed here on APC. Some are actually happy to be there. And for some regional pilots, it’s a step up QOL and pay wise. But it’s hard to put yourself in THEIR shoes when your shoes feel so pinched and miserable. But it can still be a better place to move up to for them.

Nobody is going to tell you “they” suck. Pilots are proud. Bottom line, look at the numbers and the work rules. If Jetblue doesn’t suck to you, then you are probably unqualified or under qualified. That isn’t a knock. It just is what it is.

So I take it you are not a pilot at JB. How can you state so emphatically that you know those who are negative about the current state of affairs there are the minority? If you aspire to work at JB fine, but don't pretend like you know more about the company and the reality for pilots there than they do.

I can assure you it’s an overwhelming majority of our pilots who are ****ed off right now.

You say you “believe in the company” what exactly do you mean by that? If you believe it’s different than any other airline in terms of how pilots are treated you’re in for a rude awakening.

Yeah... Just like I told you before, I do NOT trust you with any of my identifying information, and I don't want to hear any of your words.

I don't trust anyone who still thinks this place is the monkey's bananas while we are deep in a labor dispute and things have quite literally never been worse here.

So just because you go to a local meeting as a company plant and to give yourself some street cred to sell the #keepsgettingbetter message on APC, doesn't work for me!

This. All of this. Dude can "believe" in JB all he wants, the reality is that 20% of our pilots attended our first picketing event, with many more who wanted to be there but couldn't, myself included.

The morale here is bad, worst I've ever seen, and getting worse.

Like the other guy said, pilots are proud and not likely to admit how bad it really is or that they made a mistake coming here....

Yeah dude... Wait until you get accosted by a non-lanyard-wearing, company believing Captain for not cleaning during a (delayed) scheduled 38 minute turn in SFO when your release is not at the gate and the TDY maintainers are late because the rest of them got fired for time card fraud (mad props to the BOS and JFK guys that are sent out west to backfill that avalanche of debauchery). We’ll chat then. For those of you coming here and wanting to come here, welcome, and best of luck. You’re going to fly with the best in the industry. Steel yourselves for a fight and support the union. Don’t settle for second best. The contract will come if we stop accepting trash as the norm. Until that day, Fly SOP and wear your lanyard.

You are still a coward! YOU had the chance to confront me and you chose the coward way as usual. Now you are accusing me of being a company plant on the internet but could not do it in person.

Yes I am aware that we are in a labor dispute. That is why I have done everything that has been asked of me yet you still attack. Funny how tough you are.........just not in person.

You continue to attack you fellow union brothers and sisters something opposite of what they encouraged at the meeting.

Are you going Rogue and trying to poison with your own venom?

Tow the Line not your little piece of cowardly yarn......

Which thread is that picture on?

Gup

Sorry Rocky, I don't trust you.

Anyone who thinks this place is the dogs balls while things have never been worse either has very serious judgement issues or worse.

Since I do not trust you, I will not be identifying myself to you so you can use it against me when you get to be junior chief pilot. Also, I hear enough of your words on here, I definitely don't want to hear more of them...

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We all believed in the company at one time or another... then the brutal reality sank in...

This is why we now have a union.

This is why we had over 700 bodies show up in NYC in freezing cold to show how much we no longer believe in "the company".

WTF does that even mean! "Believe" in the worst paying (by far) major airline??? No thanks! Keep your cult!

Not at you Cool.

Youre not here- Then go away:D

You don't have to identify yourself we met last week....You can continue to "hide"..........


Not sure who Rocky is?

Don't accept that from a Captain. They are "Captains" simply wearing a costume.

They are not in the military where they can give you orders. They have no legal right to force you to do anything. You can always walk off the job. You are a free civilian and citizen of the United States, not a Chinese worker for Foxconn making iPhones in a country where your employer has legal powers.


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Rocky Balboa champ. Since you're always calling people cowards and telling us to man up tough guy...

So no, champ, I won't be identifying myself to future junior chief pilot.

I'm just glad it's so much better at JB these days right?

Can anyone from the last class tell me what was the split of aircraft type offered?

Spoke to the 190 training manager a few weeks ago. They haven’t been putting people I to the 190. Only the bus for the last few classes and the next couple. Any slots will be 1 or 2. Majority are bus.

190 is going away.

Ok cool, thanks for the info. Kinda figured that.

The way this place runs it's operations, the A320 may be going away.

Yeah maybe but the flying the 190 does is not. That’s my biggest gripe about it. Regional flying. But it could be worse. They could say “operated by” on the side of them. Scope!

17 people in class. Vacancies were 47 bus JFK, 9 190 JFK, 9 bus BOS, 9 190 BOS. Everyone got what they wanted except for one.

Next class I've been told its almost all 190.

Historically you will get MCO based faster...but one never knows at this JokeTown.

Just read this- Awesome:D

C-series. Will you fly it without a CBA?

I'll give you my experience: I was assigned BOS 190 in training (June '16). I live in Miami. Commuting is not an issue in terms of getting from FLL to BOS or back, but it is certainly an issue when it comes to QOL as it's rare to have trips that are commutable on both sides. That being said, I was a line holder within 3 months and in less than two years, I'm nearly half way up the seniority list in BOS. I average 1 night in FLL on 3 day trips and 2 nights in FLL on 4 day trips. I'm home a lot. The 4 guys that got the 320 were on RSV for over a year in JFK.

Keep in mind that JB has a 2 year seat lock as well. When I came on, I wasn't so concerned about not getting the 320 because for the previous 3 or 4 years the wait to get into FLL was 2 years, meaning my seat lock would be expiring on the 190 just as I'd be able to hold FLL. Funny enough, though, that wait fell to 15 months. It's good in that when I finally comes down to FLL at the end of this summer on the 320, I'll have a few dozen guys below me.

Overall, I've enjoyed my time on the 190, but I'm absolutely looking forward to being home based and getting a significant bump in pay. Let's be honest, 10% is actually a pretty nice chunk of change. I'm also looking forward to leaving 4 leg days behind me, though that comes with the trade off of moving to a fleet that does redeye flying.

For my class, it was easy. The 4 oldest guys took the 320 leaving the rest of us with a choice of BOS or JFK on the 190. Our airframe was selected for us.

If your goal is to get to FLL ASAP, bid the 320, keeping in mind that while your reserve time will be longer, you'll likely get to FLL sooner.

I see what you’re getting at but we don’t have a CBA to fall back on like the Southwest guys did. We wouldn’t have a choice.

Im more curious if they would even try it without a CBA- I know we have zero choices with this current $hit sandwich that is Jetblew rvr.

Just think how good a 40% pay bump would be.

FUPM

I'll echo 'thrufu' in timeline and experience. I'm JFK 190, live in Fort Lauderdale, been here about 2 years & spent maybe 4/5 months on RSV in JFK out of groundschool and have held a solid line since. I'm also home quite a bit bidding FLL layovers and with some of those triple FLL layovers, life here sometimes has the fleeting appearance of being a breeze. The commute is easy however, it's still a commute and I personally detest commuting to the n'th power. My utmost respect to those that commute for a career whether by choice or circumstance.

With that said I've walked the line in the cold with my fellow brethren and sistren and will not hesitate to do so again if able as I firmly believe that we deserve a market rate contract and as much as B6 isn't everyone's cup of tea, you at least pay me market rate and I can look past the greener grass over the septic tank. YMMV.