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Originally Posted by 654G (Post 2580307)

Hi,

I just got notified that I'm in the pool. I don't have other options right now. I would appreciate some information about the following please.

Currently, how long does it take to hold a line on the A320 in JFK and BOS.

What is the most junior date of hire for an A320 BOS FO.

What are the minimum days off on reserve, and what is the greatest number of block days off you can bid for when on reserve.

What's initial training like, and do you look forward to recurrent training. Is it a 'training' culture, or a 'checking' culture.

Looking at threads from two+ years ago, it seems that morale has sunk quite low since then. Considering that some of the issues now, were present then - cleaning aircraft seats, and reserve rules - is it largely money, or has there been some other culture change that has compounded the money issue.

Thanks

With respect to this last question nothing has really changed. The main difference is those pilots who defended the airline years a go have now experienced what Jetblue really is. Management is the same, culture is still just a word, cleaning, reserve and money are still the same.
Jetblue does a wonderful job is selling itself as something better or greater than "the failed models" but once you are on property for a while and you see first hand how this place is run, how undervalued the employees are and how profitable the airline is your own opinion sours and so does moral.

Its just a job, just a job.

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Originally Posted by Combatcraig (Post 2580486)

All true. But ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I sat RSV for a year. Only 12 days off is unacceptable and often used the last day so no way of commuting home. Thus, I PTO’d and UTO’d 1 day each month just trying to help my QOL. Long Call was very rare. Last day release was rare. RSV here truly got old fast. Getting a line was life changing. More days off. More flexibility to swap into commutable trips etc...

Yup unfortunately I live it. Reserve as a Captain is even worse right now. Get used every day. They run out of reserves on an almost daily basis now and throw out RSA’s. When that’s not enough they start calling everyone on their day off regardless if you’re on the do not call list or not and regardless if it’s 3am.

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Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 2580542)

Totally different experience on the FO side. I just finished RSV for April (by choice)....5 full days of LCR, 1 overnight, 3 days of actual flying and showing up to work. Now if only there was something the company could do to even out the staffing. 🤔

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Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 2580542)

Sounds very, um, Humanity. Values!

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Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 2580562)

Three upgrades should cover it. SMH.

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Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 2580562)

What base and plane?

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Originally Posted by say again (Post 2580652)

What base and plane?

Bos-190...

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Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2580458)

What’s training pay and realistic first year numbers?

A ****ing joke.

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Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2580458)

What’s training pay and realistic first year numbers?

$2k a month before medical and everything else. I think I took home like 600-700 a paycheck...if that. I made $45k my first year. Effing embarrassing and insulting. This management should be effing ashamed of themselves and embarrassed to call themselves leaders of a major airline when regionals pay more first two years.

The place sucks right now. You're going to work 3-5 days more a month than at any real airline.
If you have options elsewhere, take them.
Management has completely dropped the ball and is out of touch with the pilot group.
Good luck.