Originally Posted by Blue Dude (Post 2588367)

You can't quote a message, reply to it, then claim that your reply was unrelated to the quote, and that any inference of a connection reflects bias. It would be biased to take your comments out of context, not to quote you accurately in context.

Keep backpedaling. Actually, don't bother. We've already established that pretty much anything you say can't be relied upon to have any commonly accepted meaning.

Originally Posted by say again (Post 2588383)

Our model may be similar to Alaska/VA, but our peers are that of DAL, AA, UAL, SWA. Don't confuse/compare the 2.

Originally Posted by Southerner (Post 2588392)

Read my post again. I simply stated what our peer airline's are. The very next paragraph addresses the negotiation aspect, which I said is bad to discuss publicly.

Do you not see how your own bias is coloring your interpretations? I made no value judgements, and I intentionally remained neutral with regard to negotiations.

Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 2588402)

If you were pro-pilot, you would state as much. But you go out of your way to antagonize JB pilots and "intentionally remain neutral."

That says all we need to know about whose side you're on.

Hopefully the next few pages aren't distracted by mgmt trolling. Moving on.....

Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2587839)

Above us in what way? Are you referring to the “where we fit into the industry” slide they like to show? Because the way I see it, we have a much higher profit per passenger (and per pilot) than DL/AA/UA, and our hourly rate should reflect that. What is better about their business model, product, or customer that correlates to and commands a higher pilot pay rate? They have more robust networks, both dom/intl, more first class seats, and more business travelers due to their better network. And despite having that, as well as cheap regional feed to help their bottom line, they still have less profit per seat than us. And we provide more legroom, free WiFi, and debatably (less so these days) a better customer experience. Are you suggesting we should continue to subsidize our already higher margins with substandard pilot pay? Why?

I challenge you to come up with one good reason a jetblue A320 pilot should make less than a delta A320 pilot, keeping the above in mind.

When delta got their last contract, they didn’t say “oh let’s take UA/AA/SWA rates, find the average, and call it a day.” The mindset of the legacy pilots is reflected perfectly in UA’s snap up clause, which provided pay parity with whatever a competitor got in their negotiations. Meanwhile, we ask for average, because many of our weaklings are just happy to be here. Our management doesn’t want to hire good pilots...they want weak-minded culture pilots who like to work for less, hence our grocery bagger to FO gateway, and our light twin to FO gateway flow. Why are we asking for an average of the top 6 airline rates when we have the highest margins and ability to be paid the highest in the industry? Too many weak minds here who just don’t get it and don’t know their worth. That’s why. Mgmt thanks you to your face for sacrificing to work here, then laughs at you all the way to the bank.

“Thank you, southerner, for rowing in the opposite direction of the pilot group, not showing unity with your fellow pilots by not wearing a lanyard or standing next to them on the picket line, being happy to make less money than your peers, and enabling us to make more money off of all your backs.” - sincerely, management.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2588691)

Amazingly well said. Southerner is dripping his typical trash from his pie hole.

Originally Posted by Southerner (Post 2588696)

Oh look, the village idiot is back. I'll be sure to use little words so you have a chance at comprehension.

(The poor kid never learned how to read.)

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2588702)

Your positions seem highly respected these days.

But I know, as you've told us all before, literally, you are better at evaluating reality than most of us.

We're all wrong but Southerner!