Southerner, regarding #2 and previous regarding tantamount pay to Delta...

There is no legal or financial reason why BJ pilots can't be paid just like Delta. Have you ever been in management anywhere? (and I don't mean like being a CP or DO). Well, I have. Let me tell you that management works overtime to brainwash people into what you are saying.

You know very well that especially under fiduciary responsibility, the CEO can pay us Delta rates overnight as long as it's in the best interest of the company. Did you notice how in the past all the clueless juicers and most of the pilot group thought fiduciary meant keep pay low? That was management/owner brainwashing from many industries. I've previously provided many links proving it.

Please don't be the #1 apologist here by claiming that BJ pilots can't be paid the same as Delta.. that is a viewpoint that is propaganda, illogical, and not grounded in factual assumptions.

I blame people like you personally for the poor state of morale and respectability BJ pilots have.

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What's wrong with talking about it?

May the better argument win.


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I do think for myself. That's why I've informed myself to know that the left-right paradigm is a false one. There's the establishment and there's everyone else. The establish left and right are anti-anything that benefits the middle class. However the establishment left is more dangerous because they are Marxists that believe the state/greater good is more important than the individual. At least the right claims they care more about the individual, although they rarely follow through unless you have independent thinkers like Ron Paul and Trey Goudy.

Who supported and helped the KKK get established... the Democrats. Read the documents in the national archives.

Which cities today are the poorest and have miles of homeless camps? Democrat run cities.

And you realize that the Nazis are left-wing right? Nazi = National Socialism.

However I do agree that the establishment "right" is anti-union and that bothers me. We have RINO's that are also my sworn enemy. I wish we didn't *need* unions but the RLA forces us strictly from a legal response. Without it, we could be far more effective literally overnight. However, if we must have the RLA, it needs to be rewritten to be more employee friendly instead of the business friendly state it is in now.


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Oh yeah.. fair pay. The reason we don't get paid like Delta is strictly because WE don't value ourselves the same. The problem is not Capitalism, the problem is that we don't make ourselves a market force the way we are supposed to. Like I said before, BJ will pay for fuel at whatever cost because they made themselves too valuable. We have failed to do so. What if all pilots came with a standard minimum contract that demanded equal pay for A32X's across any airline? Nothing is stopping us from making that a reality. We merely lack the political will amongst ourselves.




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Just want to quote this again Incase anyone still has doubts on where southerner’s loyalties lie.


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Not shutting anything down- Just pointing out the asinine logic. We're not comparing 777 pilots and us- we're comparing airbus rates/work rules and insurance. You are a company defending robot- WHY Southerner?

You- you're too busy watching cable news:D

Ummm. Do you not see the difference between a world-wide carrier and JetBlue? I didn't say anything about pay. I simply grouped our airline with those who are most like us.

You guys are the ones who are associating that with pay.

What do delta A320/A321 pilots do that JetBlue A320/A321 pilots not do? If jetblue A320 pilots bring in more profit per flight than delta A320 pilots, and JetBlue can afford to pay us the same as delta’s airbus pilots and still remain profitable and competitive, why should we accept a dollar less? You still haven’t answered that.

Doesn’t stop Southwest for compensating their pilots very well. So no, I don’t see the difference.