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Bluedriver 05-17-2018 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2595839)
Not yet. Everyone was screaming for bullet points which leads to this. As you know it’s about what’s really in the contract. Like others I’m waiting to read it.

The contract will support the Bullet points. The language won't change a 2% raise or improve upon TODAYS shat profit sharing plan.

There are some good things, for sure. There are also some things I don't think I can agree to. I'll read the whole thing first, of course and weigh it all on balance.

But today's profit sharing plan???? Are you KIDDING me?

cmesoar 05-17-2018 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2595842)
The contract will support the Bullet points. The language won't change a 2% raise or improve upon TODAYS shat profit sharing plan.

There are some good things, for sure. There are also some things I don't think I can agree to. I'll read the whole thing first, of course and weigh it all on balance.

But today's profit sharing plan???? Are you KIDDING me?

I agree with you here.
I see lots of improvements that we needed. I still need to see the full TA to make my decision. It looks like one thing we had to compromise on was profit sharing. I am not happy about that, but this needs to be a FULL TA vote, period. The new Vacation/PTO language is another that I need to see. I am happy with the rates, scope, and 5 hour day rig.

Oh, and window or aisle seat for deadheads?? I really hope we did not give up something for that.

Overall, I think the NC did a great job and I can't wait to see the FULL TA to come to my decision and vote accordingly.

JBPA 05-17-2018 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by cmesoar (Post 2595851)
I agree with you here.
I see lots of improvements that we needed. I still need to see the full TA to make my decision. It looks like one thing we had to compromise on was profit sharing. I am not happy about that, but this needs to be a FULL TA vote, period. The new Vacation/PTO language is another that I need to see. I am happy with the rates, scope, and 5 hour day rig.

Oh, and window or aisle seat for deadheads?? I really hope we did not give up something for that.

Overall, I think the NC did a great job and I can't wait to see the FULL TA to come to my decision and vote accordingly.

You realize it’s an average 5 hour/day rig, right?

Overall, I’m underwhelmed.

PasserOGas 05-17-2018 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by JBPA (Post 2595863)
You realize it’s an average 5 hour/day rig, right?

Overall, I’m underwhelmed.

Taking this oportunity to update my apps.

What kills me is we agreed to this after ONE PICKET. Finally we were unified for the summer of love and they drop this turd on us.

Bluedriver 05-17-2018 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2595873)
Taking this oportunity to update my apps.

What kills me is we agreed to this after ONE PICKET. Finally we were unified for the summer of love and they drop this turd on us.

I'm coming to this conclusion as well.

ALT SEL ooops 05-17-2018 06:58 AM

This is a mostly cost neutral contract. I am also a bit in shock we had the summer to make an impact and this is the garbage we were given by the NC.

No vote here

cmesoar 05-17-2018 07:21 AM

You guys on here are truely entertaining! LOL. They have only released bullet points! Cost neutral? How can you determine that with bullet points? I am just glad I can make my own decision based on the road shows and the full language. I truely hope everyone does that. It most certainly will not be based on what anyone says on a forum! LOL, thanks for the entertainment tho, it’s nice!

Hercbubba 05-17-2018 07:24 AM

This is a YES vote for me.
I can drop down to zero hours with trades. With all the greedy pilots, I can fly 25 Hrs a month and just stay current👍

AYLflyer 05-17-2018 07:25 AM

These are bulletpoint with a whole lot of missing language. Love how the people on this forum demand information just a few days ago, then when they get it they then interpret it how they see fit before seeing the full contract.

I'm not blown away by the bullet points, but I'm not totally disappointed either. Again, I'll wait until the full language is out to decide whether it's worth a Yes or No vote.

queue 05-17-2018 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by United uhhh (Post 2595821)
I do not see any premium pay opportunities. The only thing mentioned was "at company discretion" You know that will never get turned on, kind of like all the grey areas in the FSM 2010

We need solid lines drawn. Any contract that requires interpretation is crap, in any industry. Don't accept substandard contract language. We'll see how gray the final language is...... staying tuned (but already a NO vote).



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