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BeatNavy 08-06-2018 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by aldonite7667 (Post 2650020)
26% voted FOR the DR for another year or so. BTW, you voted no, knowing it would pass. Not much nuts needed there, just ego.... all due respect.

Even with no CBA, ALPA protections still would have existed, ALPA merger policy would have been observed in the event of a merger with another ALPA carrier, and no changes to status quo. It wasn’t all doom and gloom if the CBA were voted down, nor was it the DR in most aspects. So your statement is patently false.

seekingblue 08-06-2018 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by aldonite7667 (Post 2650020)
26% voted FOR the DR for another year or so. BTW, you voted no, knowing it would pass. Not much nuts needed there, just ego.... all due respect.

As I stated before, codifying language (scope, scheduling, retirement) was very important. The DR was a disaster. Having a significant change via email @ 1am was simply unacceptable.

Happy we got the language down.


As an aside, I hope we can stop being "yes" and "no" voters and become pro ALPA pilots again. Doesn't matter which way you voted: the CBA is in place. Let's work together to move forward.

aldonite7667 08-06-2018 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2650033)
Even with no CBA, ALPA protections still would have existed, ALPA merger policy would have been observed in the event of a merger with another ALPA carrier, and no changes to status quo. It wasn’t all doom and gloom if the CBA were voted down, nor was it the DR in most aspects. So your statement is patently false.

No changes to the status quo? How about the dependability policy? Or profit sharing? Or positive check in? Code shares? What about scope? Your statement is patently incorrect.

BeatNavy 08-06-2018 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by aldonite7667 (Post 2650040)
No changes to the status quo? How about the dependability policy? Or profit sharing? Or positive check in? Code shares? What about scope? Your statement is patently incorrect.

DP: Codified. Couldn’t get much worse. CBA didn’t help.
PS: Codified. Couldn’t get much worse. CBA didn’t help.
PCI: Codified. Couldn’t get much worse. CBA didn’t help.
CS: Codified. Unlimited unless we don’t grow by a block hour or add one pilot. This doesn’t really make anything we are doing any different, nor would it be different if we didn’t vote this in.
Scope: Ok sure it was great to codify...but if it was viable to outsource and downgauge flying they would have done it. But our slot and gate space restrictions, as well as our economic situation, wouldn’t have made it worth it to have a regional fly for us. Hence why we never did. And it want going to happen in the next 6-12 months had this been voted down.


Next?

SmitteyB 08-06-2018 01:05 PM

I was in schoolhouse a few weeks ago and we were given the impression that there is a 0% chance that they take the HUD option on the 220s.

CaptCoolHand 08-06-2018 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2650033)
Even with no CBA, ALPA protections still would have existed, ALPA merger policy would have been observed in the event of a merger with another ALPA carrier, and no changes to status quo. It wasn’t all doom and gloom if the CBA were voted down, nor was it the DR in most aspects. So your statement is patently false.

Until we’re bought by SWA or AA...

Alpa merger policy only applies to alpa mergers.

aldonite7667 08-06-2018 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2650063)
DP: Codified. Couldn’t get much worse. CBA didn’t help.
PS: Codified. Couldn’t get much worse. CBA didn’t help.
PCI: Codified. Couldn’t get much worse. CBA didn’t help.
CS: Codified. Unlimited unless we don’t grow by a block hour or add one pilot. This doesn’t really make anything we are doing any different, nor would it be different if we didn’t vote this in.
Scope: Ok sure it was great to codify...but if it was viable to outsource and downgauge flying they would have done it. But our slot and gate space restrictions, as well as our economic situation, wouldn’t have made it worth it to have a regional fly for us. Hence why we never did. And it want going to happen in the next 6-12 months had this been voted down.


Next?

Your statement was about changes to the status quo before a CBA. I gave you changes.

Bluedriver 08-06-2018 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by aldonite7667 (Post 2650088)
Your statement was about changes to the status quo before a CBA. I gave you changes.

Yeah, but there couldn't have been any MORE changes. JB wouldn't do that.

And the RJs we're almost painted blue! Just a few more weeks and we would have all been replaced by Skywest and Mesa.

Softpayman 08-06-2018 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2650104)

And the RJs we're almost painted blue! Just a few more weeks and we would have all been replaced by Skywest and Mesa.

Announcement

"JetBlue and Skywest to join in a partnership. JetBlue and Skywest have entered into an agreement for Skywest to fly up to 20 JetBlue E190 aircraft as JetBlue transitions to an A220 fleet. JB President states that this will allow JB to properly transition to an all Airbus fleet yadda yadda...."

Keep telling us all how it couldn't have happened...

aldonite7667 08-06-2018 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2650196)
Announcement

"JetBlue and Skywest to join in a partnership. JetBlue and Skywest have entered into an agreement for Skywest to fly up to 20 JetBlue E190 aircraft as JetBlue transitions to an A220 fleet. JB President states that this will allow JB to properly transition to an all Airbus fleet yadda yadda...."

Keep telling us all how it could't have happened...


Again, they had the luxury of voting no, knowing it was going to pass. Not a very bold move.


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