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queue 07-20-2018 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 2638889)
Notification of Assignment
a. The Company shall notify a Reserve Pilot of a Pairing assignment via
JETCRW at the time the Pairing is placed on the Pilot’s schedule. For Pairing assignments made after the DRO has been published, if a Pilot has not acknowledged the assignment at the applicable Reserve callout time,
the Company shall establish Positive Contact.

I think the positive contact “attempt” only comes into play if you don’t answer your phone, like it is today. That being said, it’s not crystal clear and I wouldn’t be surprised by anything this company tries.

They have, in the past, left a voicemail and passed that off as positive contact. In rare instances, voicemails are not instantly delivered. Sometimes it takes hours, days, or never. It is not a guaranteed service, just like SMS text messages, and email. You have to write extra software protocol on top of them to make it the equivalent of old fashioned 'certified mail'.

Also, when you read the TA, you have to turn off your existing knowledge of the operation. Don't allow yourself to insert assumption. You have to constrain yourself to only what is written. I am aware that ALPA people are inserting assumption into it in order to sell this lemon, but that is dishonest.

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Mattio 07-20-2018 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 2638889)
Notification of Assignment
a. The Company shall notify a Reserve Pilot of a Pairing assignment via
JETCRW at the time the Pairing is placed on the Pilot’s schedule. For Pairing assignments made after the DRO has been published, if a Pilot has not acknowledged the assignment at the applicable Reserve callout time,
the Company shall establish Positive Contact.

I think the positive contact “attempt” only comes into play if you don’t answer your phone, like it is today. That being said, it’s not crystal clear and I wouldn’t be surprised by anything this company tries.

The next bullet contains this:

"b. A Reserve Pilot has fifteen (15) minutes from the initial Positive Contact attempt to initiate a responding call to Crew Services"

"Positive Contact" includes two-way jetcrw communications, therefore, any reasonable lawyer would think a "Positive Contact Attempt" includes them sending a notification via jetcrw. They've done their part of the two-way communication and they're waiting on yours. They "attempted".

hilltopflyer 07-20-2018 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Mattio (Post 2638935)
The next bullet contains this:

"b. A Reserve Pilot has fifteen (15) minutes from the initial Positive Contact attempt to initiate a responding call to Crew Services"

"Positive Contact" includes two-way jetcrw communications, therefore, any reasonable lawyer would think a "Positive Contact Attempt" includes them sending a notification via jetcrw. They've done their part of the two-way communication and their waiting on yours. They "attempted".

It’s the way I read it. So sorry if you are working out. Looks like you going to be running with the iPad on the arm now.

Gordie H 07-20-2018 08:54 AM

This Jetcrew / positive contact thing is nothing new (as far as I can tell)…they’ve been doing it for awhile now and it works fine for me.

While on short call, present time, if they push you an assignment that starts a few hours or more out (and it’s correct…i.e. you’re the guy that should get it, etc.) you acknowledge via Jetcrew, no need to talk to CS, good to go. If it’s a short call out situation usually the way it goes down is you get the first call and you don’t answer it (assuming you want the 15 extra minutes). The assignment is then pushed to you via Jetcrew and you see the report inside of 2 hours, so you don’t acknowledge it, but wait for them to call you again to establish a proper report time (i.e. 2 hours from then).

With the new contract nothing really changes except with the short call out situation you can just answer the phone the first time and establish a report time 2+30 from then. It’s better (for us and CS) and I don’t see any problems here….but then again I’m not a black helicopters are following me around kinda guy.

queue 07-20-2018 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Mattio (Post 2638935)
The next bullet contains this:

"b. A Reserve Pilot has fifteen (15) minutes from the initial Positive Contact attempt to initiate a responding call to Crew Services"

"Positive Contact" includes two-way jetcrw communications, therefore, any reasonable lawyer would think a "Positive Contact Attempt" includes them sending a notification via jetcrw. They've done their part of the two-way communication and they're waiting on yours. They "attempted".

We must ensure they can never interpret using the layman definition of reasonable. That is how they will screw us. A good contract will draw solid lines, not outsource to some variable definition of reasonable. TA 1 needs to be rewritten. TA1 lets BJ make legal definitions and we would be complicit by signing TA 1.

Maybe one day BJ pilots will wake up and realize that only the legal stuff matters.

The Railway Labor Act Simplified

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

queue 07-20-2018 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Gordie H (Post 2639059)
This Jetcrew / positive contact thing is nothing new (as far as I can tell)…they’ve been doing it for awhile now and it works fine for me. .

So you are throwing out all the legal language they will use against you? Since when is your anecdotal experience a solid basis for logical decision making? It's thinking like that which allows the CP to send out deceptive emails like the one they just sent out.

Are you totally ignorant of contracts in general? Are you totally ignorant of what BJ has done in the past?

I'm not insulting you, I'm just saying that your statements as a low information voter are negligent and dangerous.

The Railway Labor Act Simplified

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

expectholding 07-20-2018 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by queue (Post 2639085)
We must ensure they can never interpret using the layman definition of reasonable. That is how they will screw us. A good contract will draw solid lines, not outsource to some variable definition of reasonable.

The Delta contract has the word "reasonable" in it 74 times.

Is that a good contract? Should that be re-written too? Or perhaps you don't know what you're talking about...

Gordie H 07-20-2018 10:01 AM

Hey Q, take another look at that black chopper flying around your house….is it actually unmarked and black??? Or….perhaps the sun angle was obscuring and it’s actually the WBZ Action News chopper doing their midday traffic report? It’s the WBZ guys, right? Yup….they do a good traffic report….

say again 07-20-2018 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by expectholding (Post 2639110)
Or perhaps you don't know what you're talking about...


Ding, ding, ding! :D

queue 07-20-2018 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Gordie H (Post 2639122)
Hey Q, take another look at that black chopper flying around your house….is it actually unmarked and black??? Or….perhaps the sun angle was obscuring and it’s actually the WBZ Action News chopper doing their midday traffic report? It’s the WBZ guys, right? Yup….they do a good traffic report….


Typical response from someone with a limited mindset stuck in the Regional Mentality.



Ignorance is bliss.



The Railway Labor Act Simplified

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.


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