Yes vs. no
 

The way I see it is that "NO" voters believe it's worth the risk to send this back. While "YES" voters don't think it's worth the risk. Nobody knows how long it would take to get a new TA. I've read 2 weeks to 2 years. And nobody knows what we may, or may not get in a new TA.

I can't say that I've come across anyone yet who is excited about this TA.

Nobody can argue that it falls short in many areas.

Good luck to all.

Gup

It should have never been sent to the pilots for a vote. Now that we are where we are, throwing away the gains that ARE in this contract would be stupid for an unknown outcome. I voted yes, not because I endorse this contract, but because I do think this company will try to keep it cost neutral one way or another with TA 2.

I agree with the first part completely. Very disappointed in the mec/nc for sendingnthis our to vote.

We are suppose to vote on the contents of the TA, not on a risk/fear factor like so many are doing. :rolleyes:

I would've been ****ed if the mec withheld this from my vote and didnt give me and my wife the opportunity to look at it. not only gains in all cornerstones, but top of the industry in job protection, more time off, etc. meanwhile im making less than our fellow pilots at spirit and hanging out with frontier at the bottom of the industry. no thanks. not voting out of fear here.

So, if we vote no on the TA content, which I totally get, then what?

We can speculate all day, but nobody knows.

If we had a contract to fall back on this would be more clear.

Gup

So instead we are still at the bottom below Alaska (after a few months on their arbitrated contract) and the big 4 and just hanging with spirit and frontier.

"We're an LCC" (Low COMPENSATION Carrier).




"We're not Delta"...






And we never will be with that attitude...

Ha! When you have the mediator saying to your face-

“The Company moved a lot and you’re not budging. Either negotiate in good faith or I will put you on ice for 6 months - your call”

You don’t have a lot of options. This is clearly the most money the NC thought they could reasonably grab without delaying this thing another year.

I don’t believe the contract is perfect or great by any means. There are GAPING holes in healthcare and workrules. But in the end it’s a negotiation, not a Delta or bust demand.

For the record, I haven’t voted yet.

It’s the gaping holes I’m comcerned about. Not even pay rates. I could have lived with pay rates if the holes and especially healthcare were better. Healthcare alone is atrocious.