So as an out of the loop regional rat, I have to ask..

Does this mean a change in pay rate? If so, what’s the 1st and 2nd FO and CA?

So are you guys still required to clean the airplane when non revving?

Not sure what the hell you're on about. The undocumented Mexican immigrant that just did the drywall in my basement remodel has more "skill" in his foreskin than ANY Airbus pilot. The most difficult part of our jobs is retaining our damn 1st class medical every 6 months. You know that, I know that, and the rest of us know that. Fact. Not up for debate.

I wasn't talking about compensation. My point was only that any one who refers to themselves as "We are not average citizens. We are extremely specialized, highly trained" probably is the type of guy/gal that wears full uniform to run errands. Period.

Obviously, you wear yours to family photos, and your wife's friend's Halloween party. But, hey, you're not average. You're special.

am i good or am i good?

I used remodel houses back in my regional days and I can say that flying an Airbus is alot more complicated than hanging up drywall. I guess your Airbus training only lasted a day or two as opposed to the standard 4 to 6 weeks. Not to mention the time and training it took to get hired at an airline makes wonder what you have been smoking when you reduce my job to less than skilled category.

I love these forums. I read a few other non aviation forums regularly, but APC is the best.

5 pages into a TA results thread and we are discussing how much skill is in the foreskin of a Mexican hanging drywall.

Ok, Ok, you're right; you ARE special.

Let’s play a game called let’s trade jobs for a day. I’ll watch a YouTube video and learn how to hang drywall, and I’ll go hang drywall. Then I’ll give the guy in your example an airbus (preferably one not from my company), show him a video on how to start it up, fly it, and land it, and give him the keys. Let’s compare results and see how much flying and landing skill that foreskin of his has.

You should see it. Looks like dag-gummed NASA floated that wall. Two coats of KILLZ and 2 coats of "Edmonton Winters' Morn' Salmon" and the result was just dandy.

Juan might leave a crater full 'o bodies, but I GUARANTEE you'll leave more nail-holes and tape seams. Advantage: Juan.

*edit* Airbus narrowbody series does not require keys to start. Bro, do you even pull standard?

Juan, see that knob down there? turn it to the right.

"Si"

Ok, see the square thing that says "ENG 1"? Pull it up and flip it forward.

"Si"

Ok Juan, you're halfway to being a typed airbus pilot.

Now, see them 2 levers that look like a gear shifter on a '75 El Camino?

"Si"

Ok, now just push 'em forward till you feel two clicks.

"Si"

Ok, Juan, now see that button that says "AP2"?

"Si"

Push it.

Time for landing amigo.....see that red button on yer joystick?

"Si"

Push it.

"Ay dios mio!"

It's ok Juan, that noise is normal.

Now, when you hear James Earl Jones say "30", I want you to crack that stick back a C-Hair like you floating some DryDex Low Dust compound over 3/4" board.

"Si"

Ok Juan, when you hear Darth Vader say "Viente", you pull the gear shifter back till they stop.

"Si"

Congrats, Amigo, I have control and you just BeatNavy.