I didn't specifically ask about that. I have asked a CP or 2 randomly in the last couple months if they foresaw a need for a supplemental, and they said no probably not. I'm personally 50/50 on whether or not they'll need one, perhaps largely depending on how much new 175% RSA (if used) and more so prem FCFS lowers their staffing needs. BOS 190 CA will be interesting with them losing 20 CA slots in the next 4-5 months...not like they are overstaffed. Either they think more guys will pick up OT/RSA, or they will pull block hours down from there. I dunno.

CP don’t really know a lot around here. If they were in the know, we would have a lot of things we don’t currently have based on what a few have told me.

Has to be block hours reduction. Otherwise why upgrade in the January effective date and then reduce by 20 for the rest of the year? Airbus assuming some of the 190 flying out of Boston is my guess. Probably due to limited gate space. I still don’t really understand it though.

60 per seat or 30 CA and 30 FO’s? Good luck to those poor bastards if so. Probably going to go pretty junior.

Depends what the pairings look like to start off in my opinion. The problem is we probably won’t know until after next year’s System Bid. You’re kind of taking a risk and going into it blind if you bid the A220 next year. If it’s mostly east coast 190-type flying, day trips and no red-eyes at 5% less than the A320, then I think 60 senior pilots would easily take those initial vacancies.

How did this end up working out?

Ran the numbers and it didn't make sense for me (senior-ish 320 FO) to be RSV as a E190 captain. Just work 88-92hrs on the bus and you have made the same amount as a E190 CA (with better seniority holidays off etc). Only thing that might change that view is if you absolutely, positively cannot or will.not do ANY red-eyes. It's fairly easy to avoid most red-eyes, but not all red-eyes.

If you are a senior (ish) bus FO would you really be a rsv 190 skipper?

No ……………hgfddrffffdsedx

not sure what you’re asking really …. I’d be a senior(ish) A320 FO but am a RSV captain on the 190. I don’t see the issue with that frankly: Some days they call me, some days they don’t. I can do rsv from home, have to stay in a hotel maybe 3 or 4 times a month.

I end up flying anything between 5 and 55 hours (credit) for 75 hours pay. For ME, that easily beats actually flying 90 hours for the same pay.

I’d prefer Nantucket turns all day for a week to having to do one red eye. My sleep, health etc all improved dramatically when I moved to the RJ. I didn’t realize how jaded and cranky I had been … and I didn’t even do redeyes back then; it’s the constant change that gets you: early morning to late night plus transcon stuff.

most months I add on an average 2 or 3 days of VDA/RSA/premium trips if I haven’t been flying too much.

(edit: just looked it up, I’d be top third of the JFK FO list if I’d stayed … dunno if that’s senior-Ish or not)

Also, not to mention that sitting in cruise for 5 hours is very monotonous. I get more legs is more work, but the long legs aren’t the end all be all.

I also think there is something to be said for actually being the Captain and setting the tone for the operation.

However, living in base puts you at a huge advantage. I can understand a commuter staying as a senior 320 FO.

I was talking to the other guy. Just saying if you are senior on the bus FO side or ish you probably won’t be a 190 rsv guy or if you are won’t be one for long. That’s all I would expect 190 upgrades to go super jr.

Being an fo licks…. Pretending to care what looney toon to my left is blabbing about. I’d rather be the toon. Also I don’t want to date you soon as we get to the hotel… see ya tomorrow!

This is one of the reasons I never minded all the 12 hour layovers at JB.

The shorter, the better

So because you don’t want to “date” the other pilot on the layover you’d rather spend time with them trapped in a cramped flight deck? I’m curious about that logic lol.

For the most part, I’m the same way. I spend all day with you in the flight deck; I don’t feel obligated to spend my overnights with you as well. If it’s a good crew, I’ll certainly grab a dinner with them.

What are talking about? Id rather spend time at my own house over spending it in a hotel. Oh, and you're not "cramped" in the 320. No problem doing my job, but the less time I'm there, the better off. Maybe look outside the box and you'll see the logic in it...

Lol...
Different strokes and all that. I prefer the longest layover possible. I've done two 48 hour layovers this summer, both were awesome, essentially paid vacations. My normal bid includes as many 24 hour layovers as possible (LAX, SFO, LAS, PUJ, UVF, AUA...). And sometimes I go out, sometimes I don't. Almost everyone at JB is cool enough to have fun with on a layover.

You remind me of so many very senior captains I fly with (top 100), but can't quite put my finger on why.

+ 1. Guys sounds like a real piece of work.

Top 100 are a million times better to fly with then 2000-3000 seniority Capts

There are 1000 captains you don’t wanna fly with?

There aren't 1000 Captains in the 2000-3000 seniority range.

my favorite captain happens to be a 2000-3000 number. Im offended

There are 576 captains you don’t wanna fly with?

I’m guessing you’re one of those Fo’s that likes to tell the captain you are senior to him even though you’re the fo….I’m guessing you’re also the guy the captain has to monitor because you’re a bit off procedurally. Trust me we 2000-3000 # captains know you too well. You ever wonder why such a senior fo as yourself always has to fly with junior captains. 🤦‍♂️

Seems like your feelings were hurt, I was just making a generalized statement as a whole the senior guys and girls run a laidback but standard cockpit, it makes it easy to know to to expect as a FO. Not saying I haven't flown with and that their isn't good folks at every seniorty level.

Well this thread is going well…

Cream of the crop.

FWIW, to get this thread back on topic, and with regards to the 2022 system bid.... I just left 320 FO with around 70% seniority to go to 190 CA.
I bid it at 90% or above and should be around 80% according to PVBM.
I live within SCL distance, was really happy on the Bus, but seemed to me i could make more money, be the CA, have weekends off, etc by rolling the dice on the 190.

if you are going for money and you live in base congrats you made the right choice at your seniority. Qol will suffer but money will be there. Congratulations on the upgrade!!

Congrats on the upgrade man

Hey guys, bit of an old thread but curious what you guys think now that the 190s are on their way out and the whole Spirit deal. For those that have been on a fleet on its way out before, any thoughts on how trips/QOL will change as the fleet gets smaller and smaller? Would it be harder to stay a line holder, or do you think the more senior guys will bail soon for the 220 now that it’s more established (or bus, for that matter).
Trying to gather an idea of what life might be like as a 190 CA (probably junior line holder) over the next few years if I make the move.

really hoping the mco base closing will make the pairings better.

I doubt it. They are going to want to try to start pushing people off the platform. At the most more MCO layovers.

I know…. 30% of Bos cpt 190 on reserve

Realizing the bid is coming out in a hour or so and I might be immediately wrong….

I think we will see some pretty decent negative numbers in BOS and JFK on top of the MCO closure.

Not displacements but simply no or little backfill into those categories.


CA is about to become more senior overall I’m afraid.

That was all but confirmed to me by someone very high up the other day.

and to clarify that is only 190 numbers, 220/320 will have a decent number of vacancies.

Think someone with a year seniority on the 190 will be able to jump off to the bus? Just curious now since you think there will be some negative numbers and no backfilling.