Training failure?
 

Anyone recently been hired within a year/6 months from a training failure?

Never know unless you apply.

It is an AQP failure? Is it just a single failure or did you fail an upgrade or transition?

Anything 121, AQP, line checks, upgrades they want 2 years separation from those.......

yes an AQP sim event.

Hyper would know. So listen to him but keep applying if you want to be here.

I was in an unfortunate position last year to be selected for a 135.293a oral with my company’s POI after the former DO was fired and went on to accuse the company of a myriad of issues. This oral was not tied to any training event but I did bust it. The unfortunate part was that I failed it after my video interview submission but prior to receiving my additional flight information form. I disclosed it along with my only other failure of a 141 stage check in 2005 during primary training. Almost three weeks after sending in my flight information addendum I received a TBNT, please reapply in 6 months. I assume that if such a failure would prevent from working at JetBlue the email would have indicated that. Since that time I’ve passed a 297, 299, and another 293 oral and checkride. I had never failed any 121 training AQP or non AQP but I suspect I won’t be given further consideration for at least two years as mentioned above.

This is hyper’s area, so I’ll let him give you the final word answer. However, the reasoning for waiting 2 years after an AQP bust isn’t the bust itself, it’s that an AQP failure requires 2 years of special tracking. So, my understanding is, we would have to put you in special tracking just to get you in our AQP program without having any issues here.

Hyper, does that sound right?

Special Tracking is 1 year at my 121 as long as you pass your 2 Ground, 2 MV/LOE and 1 Line Check within the 12 months footprint. It might be airline dependent as not every 121 has the same FAA approved AQP Level.

Question do you think because the fail was within the 2yr mark that’s why they said TBNT?

I can only assume my failure was the reason for the TBNT. Perhaps if it happened multiple years ago it would have factored in a little less. It seemed at the time that I was successful with the video interview portion. All I can do is keep applying, work to better myself, and hope I can overcome it one day.

Yes. To see the progress and "righting" the failure.

If I was a betting man I would say it was not the failure.....

Is MV unsat considered as a AQP bust?

So your saying you thinks it’s more then just his failure?

Did more than 2 maneuvers need to be repeated?

Yes. I got re-training and passed on next day

We look at failures before the interview. That way no one is wasting their time on interview day. Meaning if you are interviewing you are good to go about the failures. You still have to successfully talk about them and interview well.......

Does having to redo a sim session count as a training failure for the question on the app? All validation events were passed on the first try, but I needed a do-over on a sim session prior to MV.

I'm planning to document the additional sim training on the app regardless.

Dude how fun would it be to be in class together? i'll give a discreet compass wave from the back of the class.. Good luck to us!

That would be excellent! The snacks would be in good hands.

Good luck!

Just a line pilot here…but this sounds like a nothing burger to me. I’m thinking you don’t need to mention it at all. Others please chime in and correct me if need be…

You are correct. Nothing burger.

Nice to finally see some Compass guys showing up.

Compass guy here. There were close to 10 CPZ Captains in the school house going through initial when I was there. Not sure if JB has finally discovered Compass or the other way around.

Nothing burger folks: thanks!

Ninerdriver can be had really cheap. OK pls thx bye!

Does extended OE count as a training failure? Went over the limit by a couple of hours and was placed in special tracking with a line check at the end of OE.

You can fail MV and AQP sims?

Asking because I've never done AQP, entire career so far under PC/PT checking. I was always told PC was a jeopardy event and that's why everyone preferred AQP. So you can fail AQP? If you can fail it then how's it not jeopardy?

Your MV should just go down as an “Incomplete” on your employer’s end, no FAA pink slip. I think this still requires some kind of special tracking, but not sure. The LOE portion is a FAA jeopardy event and will result in a pink slip if failed.

As far as I know, if you pass the line check and complete IOE, there is not failure. Now if you fail the line check, well that's a different story.