Good tip, I would have gone in completely under-prep'd for that.

Stop reading now, the internets have been conquered. Here is the winner.

Does anybody know the weekly hours acquired during training? We are paid hourly and I was trying to figure out a ball park number as to what that works out to be. 30/week 40/week ?

New hire training pay is flat rate for the month. I think it’s $2k/month pre tax/deductions with $26/day (use/lose per day) lodge bucks for food.

Cutover to hourly pay/min guarantee occurs upon completion of your LOE (checkride) and you start getting min guarantee of 75 hours a month at that point. Fwiw, for future training events (transition/upgrade), if you have 15 or more days in a bid period in training, min guarantee is 80 hours. Doesn’t help newhires though. NH pay is rough, but fortunately only lasts 5-6 weeks, then you’ll be making $88x75hr while you wait for/during IOE.

ok, I was just going by what the offer letter said which was $28.57/hr. If its $2000 a month, then we are in class about 70 hours.

Thanks for the info though! Appreciate it.

Yeah...they say it’s $28.57 x 70 hours which is where the $2k comes from.

Not exactly sure how they get the 70 hours though.

I recorded my NH work schedule very accurately. It was 39 days total footprint. 10 days off within that footprint. For the first two weeks, days were 8-9 hours, then the last 3 weeks they were 6 hours. Total hours worked (in class or sim) for the 39 days was 197. Comes to an avg of 6.8 working hours per day worked, with 3/4 days in the footprint being work days.

Hope that helps.

Heck yeah. Nice Breakdown! Oh well, like you said, its just for a short time anyway. Sucks when you take a 20k paycut, but then the long term pay is what helps ease the pain.

So did many of you actually wear Jeans during training? I know it says we can, but didnt want to be the odd man out. Def do not want to give a bad impression.

Dark jeans and a collared shirt are perfectly acceptable.

70 hours is min guarantee.

I believe that NH pay is a good indicator of how the company will treat you. Not saying that it's worse than XYZ regional, but don't come expecting to be treated well by management.

Gup

Delta doesn't pay for new hire hotels.

Is that an indication of how those pilots are treated?

No, but they’re paid double what we make during training and get actual profit sharing.

delta new hire pay also goes until the completion of IOE not checkride (about a 3-5 week difference). again with no hotel or per diem during training

Okay. Easy fix, both need to be improved. Our training pay sucks.
Not having a hotel for 4-6 weeks sucks.
Unfortunately, this is low on the negotiation table, and in the company’s hands.

And then there’s first year UPS pay. *rolls eyes.*. I know you make a ton second year but dang.

I'd list other evidence as to how our pilots are treated, but you already know about that.

Gup

It’s not min guarantee for training (80 hours, covered by 4.A.3) and min flying guarantee for a lineholder isn’t really applicable. And while 70 hours is min guarantee...actual hours worked is much higher, even on a 4/hr a day credit for training basis. My point is 70 is an arbitrary number made up by the company using an arbitrary number from somewhere else in the CBA and applying it to new hire training. And $28.57 isn’t a published pay rate anywhere. So both the rate and the credit hours are just made up by the company and not even in the CBA. They get around it because pilot trainees aren’t “pilots” in the CBA definitions. I wouldn’t spend negotiating capital on 6 weeks worth of pay for new hires, since JB does pay for all uniforms and “lodge”ing, and compared to peers it’s about in line. But when calculated out, the effective pay rate in training is about $13/hr for new hires, governed by a policy that doesn’t exist in the CBA.

All true, but disregards the pay received via "free food" while at the lodge. I can't recall the math now, but at the time, I believe it was pretty much what the 1st year FO rate was.

You’re right. New hires are not covered by our contract. Until they qualify, they are First Officer Candidates.

I am not arguing that new hire training pay is sufficient. The OP was trying to understand where they got 70 hours.

Briefing and bidding
 

So the briefing and bidding for the slots happen the day before ground school date?

You fill out your preferences on a piece of paper at the meet and greet the day before you officially start indoc.

So they announce the slot during that meet and greet?

Yes, on the meet & greet they hand out the slots available. You fill out your preference and hand it out at the welcome BBQ. The next day (indoc) they give you the results.