Wow, what a "benefit" that I hope you never have to endure.....it's very disruptive because often a furlough leads to an outright end of job.

 

No offense, but the “no furlough clause” in the PEA wasn’t worth the paper it was written on.

Imagine this scenario, you end up getting let go from JetBlue because they’re trying to shrink to profitability. They let go say 15% of the pilots. Say in the time of the DR that would’ve been about 400-500 guys. You think cool! Now I get paid min guaranteed and don’t have to work. Checks never show up. You think wtf? Oh yea. JB is bankrupt. We’re not gonna pay you. You can sue us. Good luck. They reorganize the company. You join a class action suit. It takes about 4years to resolve and since the judge ruled you were not a creditor... you get nothing. Zip zilch. Nadaaaa.

...and now you probably owe some lawyer money too.

 

The PEA 'renewed' every 5 years.

Then it was switched in 2008 to: after the initial renewal, it would renew again for an additional 5 years.

Every month there were pilots entering their 5-day renewal window. These pilot were at will and could be non renewed for any reason.

The 'cause' section only spoke to termination during the term of the agreement.

Read this slowly.

Jetblue had a 'no furlough policy'. That was a sinister marketing slogan.

Instead, ... if the Airline provides notice within 5 days of the Agreement expiration date (“Renewal Window”), this Agreement will not renew. IOW your contract term is over and with it the 70-hour guarantee.

That is the no furlough policy.

Yes, being furloughed is a benefit compared to being non renewed.

 

Recall rights vs no recall rights (non renewal ie no furlough policy).

Jetblue pilots with the PEA could have been non renewed during the 5-day renewal window.

There is no out of seniority renewal since were all on individual agreements with our own renewal date.

You tell us which is better.

Looking from this view being furloughed instead of non renewed is a benefit of a CBA vs the PEA.

Right!

 

A simple “that’s what I was saying” would have been fine... but thanks for coming off like an @sshat.

 

But you missed it by a mile.

There is no 70-hour guarantee if the contract term was not renewed during the 5-day window.

Other than everything else you said.

You are right. But for the wrong reasons. Feel better?

 

It only leads to a loss if job if one does not decide to come back when recalled...correct? I am aware this can take years.

 

What is this 5 year contract/5 day renewal? I know it doesn’t apply now, just curious.

 

I didn’t miss anything.
The lack of an evergreen statute was one many suck parts of the pea that “JetBlue would never do” until it made sense for them to do it. It was fixed in one of the renditions leading up to the ALPA 2.0 vote. Too little too late.

And I agree with you. Not sure why you’re so abrasive. Must be the internet.

 

Before ALPA jetblue pilots operated under a Pilot Employment Agreement (PEA).

It originally had a 5-year term and a 30-day renewal window where either party (sure) could elect not to renew.

Then it was changed to a 5-day window and that was supposed to be an improvement (sure).

Then it was changed to a 5-day window with a single 5-year automatic renew.

The idea was to have a narrative that we were not at-risk employees. But we were in the 5-day window where the company for any reason could non-renew ... terminate you. To which many said: "they would never do that". Sure!

Somehow idea was floated and stuck that JetBlue had a no furlough policy. The truth is we DID have a no furlough policy. Think of it this way: if a force reduction was needed back in the day the company would simply open an excel spreadsheet and sort by renewal dates and start to non-renew contracts that are in the renewal window (a hundred or so each month) and thereby full its promise to the pilot group to not furlough you.

"No furlough policy" is Jetblue speak. Learn it fast!