Originally Posted by queue
(Post 2914801)
I have something against anyone who makes mistakes that were well forecasted. Why did it take so long to get ALPA? Why did we have such a huge failure (adoption) rate of such an ineffective "contract" which is only so in name?
Are you denying that this was all under the sphere of control of the pilots? These failures are the result of a group of pilots who are defeatists and apologists to the status quo as dictated to by management. So yes, I'll be the first to lay blame where it belongs. We must never forget about what could have been done better. I'm sure you'll disagree but your argument will only be based on the presumption that it is futile to demand better (defeatist argument). Do you get tired of logging on here and blaming people for you unhappiness? |
Originally Posted by feltf4
(Post 2914840)
Lol
Do you get tired of logging on here and blaming people for you unhappiness? Many gross errors in strategy and communication from the union. Gross errors in participation and expectations from the group. |
Originally Posted by IHATEPLANES
(Post 2915890)
Loud and proud 26% er here. All you 74% d sad joule be ashamed.
English please? |
Originally Posted by nuball5
(Post 2915967)
English please?
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Originally Posted by IHATEPLANES
(Post 2915890)
Loud and proud 26% er here. All you 74% d sad joule be ashamed.
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 2914933)
Felt, he's really not entirely wrong.
Many gross errors in strategy and communication from the union. Gross errors in participation and expectations from the group. Industry Leading __________ (insert the multitude of misleads here) and you have the CBA. Because NONE of them are industry standard. Listen, I’m a 74%-er. I f-ed up. Won’t happen again. -Bubs |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 2914933)
Felt, he's really not entirely wrong.
Many gross errors in strategy and communication from the union. Gross errors in participation and expectations from the group. For example? |
Originally Posted by contrails12
(Post 2920053)
For example?
This is especially true of all the mistakes made in the legalese of our substandard "contract". Virtually nothing is enforceable and we are stuck in perpetual arbitration by design. BJ is exploiting every word in the lame contract, precisely as i said they would. Meanwhile, all the Bozos of the world truly look like Bozo the Clown now. Remember his tin foil conspiracy theories spread to get the contract adopted quickly? Him and the other defeated apologists deceived many. Read my stuff pre-contract. Enjoying your profit sharing and industry leading contract yet? Meanwhile, the pilot group has excelled at learning to love substandard bread crumbs and whatever leftovers Johanna drops to the peasants below. Maybe one day the 78% failure rate will improve when all these naive pilots will realize that being happy go lucky and ignorant is not the way of a corporation. It's a ruthless legal battle, nothing more. ALPA messed up by retreating from demonstrating at the investor meeting, and they especially messed up by accepting the first contract. I wonder if those ALPA people were simply controlled opposition put in place by Ford and Harrison and BJ. The way they talked, you would think they were on BJ's side. |
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
(Post 2920049)
Yup. New ADG = New PBS pairing construction = QOL in the pooper.
Industry Leading __________ (insert the multitude of misleads here) and you have the CBA. Because NONE of them are industry standard. Listen, I’m a 74%-er. I f-ed up. Won’t happen again. -Bubs I do think the pilots need more protections against the punitive pairing changes the company put in place post-ADG, but I won't argue the ADG shouldn't be there. |
Originally Posted by contrails12
(Post 2920053)
For example?
I've certainly written ad nauseum on the subject if you want to read my comments from around that time. Most critical mistakes include waiting way too long (years) to declare a labor dispute, communicating that negotiations were going well well beyond the point that was true, survey problems, pilots "selling" and defending JB while deep in negotiations that were going very poorly, union playing "nice" with the other side giving the other side the "chance" to do the right thing (negotiate in good faith) which was ***NEVER*** going to happen, agreeing to a substandard TA JUST as/before the tides of leverage and pilot attitudes were turning in the pilots favor, selling a substandard TA and failing to highlight the industry worst (essentially) profit sharing plan at every possible quarterly report (since the CBA went into effect). Understand that I absolutely want JB to be wildly successful, and I want JB pilots to share appropriately in that success. That is the foundation of all my comments. |
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