Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 2950912)

Should hear something soon. Lots going on in November including VIB. When they get the screen and when it is looked at could be several weeks. Also they will only schedule interviews a couple weeks out. Many phone screens were looked at in December and must go through that process as well. We do all of our work on the front side so we can set the candidate up to succeed by looking at everything prior to the interview. IHTH!

Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer (Post 2950696)

I’d probably email them....they switched app systems and it might have gotten lost in the changeover. Hyperboy may be able to help also.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2951063)

That should work for 500+ next year. Just need 460+ zero-to-hero gateway pilots.

Somewhat related, there are a lot of very experienced JB pilots who are staying in the right seat of an Airbus (largely because the E190 captain payrate is so bad) while the E190 upgrade time goes very junior. As the new hires become more and more filled by zero-experience pilots, that's going to be a problem, in MY opinion.

I've been a Capt before during a time when I had 250 hour wonder pilots in the right seat of my jet. Some did better than others, but none were ready to be 121 FOs, and NONE were ready to be paired with junior captains. These guys might come somewhat better prepared with the higher minimums and additional jet transition training, but still most definitely need to be paired with pilots who were not themselves zero-to-hero 12 months prior...

This will be better after the last A220 replaces the last E190, but until then I really think JB needs to reconsider the E190 payrate from an experience standpoint, as well as it would likely reduce training churn as guys/gals would be willing to stay on the aircraft longer and some of the senior FO talent at JB would consider E190 left seat.

Safety vs. Savings.

Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2951371)

It would be great if JB had an algorithm that summed hours in each cockpit and a reasonable minimum requirement. It seems there is ZERO thought put into crew pairings, unfortunately. Probably too complicated for CS to deal with.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2951869)

Can't abrogate seniority, I don't think.

Should align payrates to ensure that the left seat is desirable in both aircraft, that way seniority (experience, not 100% corelated, but strongly) is incentivised toward the left seat of both aircraft.

Right now the payrate difference between A320 FO vs E190 Capt is just not enough for many to take the seniority hit to bid E190 left seat. Giving up weekends, holidays and going back to flying 3-4 legs a day for the small pitence of a raise keeps a lot of seniority in the right seat of the Airbus. That may make a big difference in the future as zero-experience pilots are making up large numbers of new hire positions.

Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2951913)

I get that, that's why I think it would be too complicated (perhaps impossible?) to have a minimum # of hours in each cockpit. Not that I have seen any safety issues in regards to this, but it sure does catch my attention when I have more 320 time than the guy in the left seat. Comfort Zone Shrinkage occurs.

I agree with your assessment, as it is exactly how I feel about upgrading. I don't want to make a tiny bit more to upgrade and lose what little QoL I currently hold, and I don't wish to commute. So I will be one of those more-seniorish FOs until I can hold CA at home. Or until I retire. Depends on just how good that right seat QoL becomes by then,

Originally Posted by jtrain609 (Post 2951920)

There are minimum requirements for upgrade, I believe in the FOM. If not there, the AQP manual.

Originally Posted by ClncClarence (Post 2951969)

Pretty sure I remember seeing a note a few months ago that said the CA upgrade mins were being increased to 2000 hours in 121 ops and 1000 hours as a JB pilot.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2952199)

I've worked for airlines before that hired 250 hour wonder-pilots That airline eventually had to lower upgrade requirements because they didn't have enough meeting upgrade mins.

They also had to hire street captains, as in NO in company experience. This was a large ALPA regional jet company.

Obviously, JB is not there yet, not even close.

But if zero-experience pilots are to become a larger and larger proportion of new hires, it may get much more concerning. At that time, a simple email decreasing upgrade requirements (after fed approval) would come...

Originally Posted by Clear Right (Post 2952353)

IMHO the next 5 years will be interesting for B6 pilot hiring, but after 2025 I believe (if no major transactional event) B6 will attract more pilots. Here’s the theory - Most legacies will be on the backside of the retirement wave in 2025, so most of their hiring for retirements will be done, or you’ll be stuck at the bottom of their list post 2025. B6 on the other hand will then be on the upward ramp for it’s retirements. The E-190 will be mostly gone/done at B6, and our rates on the A220 and A320 will be on par with WN and Legacies on similar equipment. The Europe flying will also be established for B6 with some type of “over-ride” pay for LR/XLR, and I predict a Midwest or a few new focus cities offering different basing options. Overall theory, a more attractive landscape for B6 hiring.

All of that being said, almost every airline now has some sort of Ab Initio program. So newbies are here to stay for a long while.

Just an opinion!

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2952420)

If you're not entirely correct, at least will be more balanced and not as much advantage towards legacies. Still might not have any widebody aircraft, but might have orders.

I'm torn on a Midwest domicile. Not sure if there are any good options left that aren't heavily fortified by the big 4. Which options could you see?

Originally Posted by disenchantMINT (Post 2952443)

Chicago! Oh, wait... no they blew their chance and Spirit and Frontier moved in.

Austin! (Not midwest, but that was the rumor) Oh wait... no they blew their chance and Delta moved in.

KC! St Louis! Oh wait... no, SWA is already too big there.

My money is on Cedar Rapids. ;)

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2952420)

If you're not entirely correct, at least will be more balanced and not as much advantage towards legacies. Still might not have any widebody aircraft, but might have orders.

I'm torn on a Midwest domicile. Not sure if there are any good options left that aren't heavily fortified by the big 4. Which options could you see?

Originally Posted by IHATEPLANES (Post 2956472)

The only wide bodies B6 will fly around are overweight people. Maybe you could use your profit sharing to help out with the order cost !!!

Originally Posted by disenchantMINT (Post 2952443)

Chicago! Oh, wait... no they blew their chance and Spirit and Frontier moved in.

Austin! (Not midwest, but that was the rumor) Oh wait... no they blew their chance and Delta moved in.

KC! St Louis! Oh wait... no, SWA is already too big there.

My money is on Cedar Rapids. ;)