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peaches 03-21-2020 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by 5and20 (Post 3006246)
Warren Buffet was also the largest holder of airline stock before they all came crashing down. Currently he has lost over 40 percent of his investment. Just saying.....

As Warren would say he didn't lose anything because he hasn't sold anything.

Bluedriver 03-22-2020 05:56 AM

Looks like airline grants are dead, just loans.

Flyby1206 03-22-2020 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3007257)
Looks like airline grants are dead, just loans.

Hmm, so what would theoretically prevent an airline from furloughing 50% of their employees and then taking a loan? Or maybe they will just decide the loan isn’t worth taking on more debt vs just cutting a mountain of employee costs. Grants would at least be a way for the gov to impose terms like no furloughs, buybacks, dividends, etc. Loans would be at the discretion of each company.

I know the bill is still in the creation process, just thinking out loud.

SmitteyB 03-22-2020 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3007257)
Looks like airline grants are dead, just loans.

Source?

/filler

WhistlePig 03-22-2020 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3007257)
Looks like airline grants are dead, just loans.

The sausage is in the early process of being made. The Senate plan does nothing for Labor and addresses none of the detrimental issues of the previous stimulus execution. I expect it will be a mix of both grants with strings, and low interest loans without strings. Free money for airline executives is DOA.

Bluedriver 03-22-2020 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3007426)
Hmm, so what would theoretically prevent an airline from furloughing 50% of their employees and then taking a loan? Or maybe they will just decide the loan isn’t worth taking on more debt vs just cutting a mountain of employee costs. Grants would at least be a way for the gov to impose terms like no furloughs, buybacks, dividends, etc. Loans would be at the discretion of each company.

I know the bill is still in the creation process, just thinking out loud.

I don't think there is any doubt, you can attach restrictions on the taking of loans from the government if they want to. You want the loan, here are the limits on what you can do with the money.....

My opinion anyway.

Bluedriver 03-22-2020 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by WhistlePig (Post 3007489)
The sausage is in the early process of being made. The Senate plan does nothing for Labor and addresses none of the detrimental issues of the previous stimulus execution. I expect it will be a mix of both grants with strings, and low interest loans without strings. Free money for airline executives is DOA.

You're right, have to see what the compromise is between the house and Senate, but senators are showing no apatite for grants right now.

Flyby1206 03-22-2020 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3007522)
I don't think there is any doubt, you can attach restrictions on the taking of loans from the government if they want to. You want the loan, here are the limits on what you can do with the money.....

My opinion anyway.

Right. I wonder what the cost benefit analysis would be for airlines to take on a bunch of govt loan debt and force full staffing vs private sector loans and no limits on furloughs/buybacks/compensation/etc.

Debt is cheap, we just got $1b at pretty good rates.

hyperboy 03-22-2020 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3007537)
Right. I wonder what the cost benefit analysis would be for airlines to take on a bunch of govt loan debt and force full staffing vs private sector loans and no limits on furloughs/buybacks/compensation/etc.

Debt is cheap, we just got $1b at pretty good rates.

almost as good as cash.

nuball5 03-22-2020 11:33 AM

...just unfortunately it doesn’t look like enough cash to get through this in one piece.


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