Another Term?
 

Can anyone please answer how can we allow the same guy willing to sell us out in the last LOA get re-elected just like that? No questions asked? Doesn’t feel great knowing it’ll be the same bunch leading us after seeing them push the last LOA down our throats. So much for scope. Ask for other things and stop worrying about it since we see how easy it is to give up. I appreciate the time every union personnel takes but I’m disappointed in the election to say the least.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the pilot group voted in the last LOA, the furlough protection would have already been about to run out…

Let your reps know how you feel, and if you’re in FLL or BOS…participate in the upcoming recall efforts. We currently have the worst MEC/LECs I’ve ever seen in the airline business. CK said yesterday he doesn’t care what the pilot group thinks of him because he knows he had the votes from enough of the 14 who matter. If this were a Democratic election he probably would have received less than 20% of the votes. He’s horrible and in bed with management. His interests are aligned with the company’s. LOA13 and the sales job with the unified voice with the company is all the evidence you need for that. Oh, and another rep said yesterday the only reason LOA13 didn’t pass is because they didn’t have the road shows to sell it. Disgusting.

did he actually say that?!
and yes. He is a terrible mec and needs to
get voted out. That will only happen by getting the current lec out

Disappointed in the results would be an understatement. We’re stuck with this a$$ clown for another 2 years. The 191 is solid. It’s the rest of y’all that need to get rid of those reps.

Honest question. Can we as the pilots recall the mec and force a democratic election?

What does a secretary treasurer do? Can we just get rid of that position?

No. It you can recall your lec! Then the lec can recall the mec.


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Yes and additionally the 2% yearly step they were offering is traditionally seen in the signing bonus of the subsequent CBA.

2% raise when inflation is running north of 6%…

Yes, so essentially we were offered nothing for the LOA…. Considering they proceeded anyways we are in a much better position to gain above the status quo because that was essentially the default position!

maybe I’m wrong but I don’t remember getting a link to vote?

Recalling happening for LEC in FLL and BOS is open for nominations for the new term.

Nobody stepping up unfortunately….

Can you blame them for not wanting to work with Kenney? It also doesn't help that HR seeks to avoid hiring strong union supporters leaving the pool of possible good reps very shallow.

Each and every one of the reps who voted to re-elect Chris should be recalled. They obviously cannot represent their members if they are willing to sell them down the river by endorsing the status quo. Truly disgraceful.

Recall in fll and MCO nominations both going on right now. This can be corrected very quickly if things happen a certain way.


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Just to let you know.....

The MEC Chair is the face of B6ALPA. He or she has no voting power unless its an LEC tie and they chose not to use roll call votes. Just sayin'

All it took for the chairman to win re-election was to maintain his control and influence over the 10 pilots who voted for him.

Then we or better said I are blaming the wrong person is what you’re saying?

same as the president of the USA. But both still try and push exactly what they want.

Nope. Just that he does not have any voting power. Meaning for things to pass or fail it has nothing to do with his vote.

You can blame any president you want they can vote with a veto I guess? House of the People (all 435 of them) and the Senate have the power............It's sure fun blaming the one without the vote though?

loa 12/13 fall squarely on the mec shoulders. Without him approving them or pushing for them nothing would have happened.

https://www.federalregister.gov/pres...joe-biden/2021

I think presidents on both sides of the aisle do a lot more legislating than you a give them credit for, and therefore do actually have a vote. That’s not how the government was designed, but how it has morphed.

Back to our union, in theory, the MEC works for the LECs and the LECs have the voting power. Just like our government, it doesn’t always work as designed. Occasionally a tyrant and his henchmen get in power. And when it’s no longer working as it’s supposed to, people get frustrated because they don’t want to be associated with, or work/volunteer for, a person/system that’s off the rails. For example: the Chris kenney clown show. How many committee leaders bailed in the last 6 months? This is the most dysfunctional and misdirected union I’ve ever seen. Poor leadership is to blame. Hopefully step 1 (these LEC recall efforts) is fruitful. We need step 1 to be a success to get this ship back on course.

Zero CAs running for LEC rep in BOS? One FO?

Therein lies the problem.

What entails being a lec officer? Just wondering from the outside looking in.

The majority of the reps who re-elected him turned a blind eye to this. That’s a big problem.

Not being a CK bobblehead is a start! A LEC rep should be listening and representing ALL pilots, not what CK thinks is best for him or company! Your LEC is the interface between the membership and the MEC.

A buddy I was talking to just didn’t know the time required.

I’d imagine being an LEC rep requires a significant investment of personal time. You’re representing pilots at disciplinary hearings, responding to texts & phone calls at all hours, etc.

It’s probably like the old saying, “If you have to ask, you can’t afford it.”

Their three-year term begins 3/1/2022

I was a status rep (ALPA lingo for LEC rep) at my small regional. It is a huge time commitment. You will get calls from pilots who don't know the contract and think its your job to explain it to them. You will be on many conference calls per week during negotiations. The steak dinner and glass of wine during MEC meetings don't even come close to compensating the time lost with your family.

Not for the faint of heart, but can be very rewarding.

One thing union work taught me is how little line pilots actually understand. Trying to protect pilots and doing the right thing for the pilot group is interpreted by line pilots as selfishness and being labeled a traitor. Exhibit A - the bashing of CK for putting forth an LOA which he believed was a good deal for the pilot group. The union worked EXACTLY as designed. The pilot group was informed, read the agreement, and decided it was not good enough. Period.

You had my up until the last paragraph. I’ve never seen such an egomaniac at the helm of the MEC. This thing was botched going back to LOA 12. If Chris had it his way, LOA 13 would not have been sent to the pilots for a vote either. Statements he’s made since then are extremely disconcerting. I talk to my reps on a regular basis, so I consider myself fairly well informed to the inner workings of our MEC. As I said before, my biggest concern is CK’s inability to recognize past mistakes and learn from them. That is a huge liability in leadership. He’s lost the support of rank and file pilots; he’s got to go. Problem is, we need new bodies to step up for LEC. It’s a huge time commitment and sacrifice, so I completely understand why so many are reluctant.

I'm not defending CK, whatsoever. I think LOA13 was poor, and I voted NO. But I understand how it made it out of the MEC and to the pilot group for possible ratification. If the MEC had voted that down, the membership would have complained that the opportunity was stolen from us to determine our own fate. Union work is a very tough balancing act of trying to get very "Type A " people to not shoot themselves in the head. We are methodical, critical thinkers in our airplanes, but extremely emotional about our careers and perceived fair work rules and compensation. But to pin the blame exclusively on the MEC Chairman, I believe, is short-sighted. I think its great that you are connected with your rep, because a lot of guys set the brake, run the checklist, and go home and don't read union emails let alone know who their reps are.

Again, not trying to defend CK. Just saying union work isn't always black and white. Hard decisions have to be made sometimes, even if that makes you look like the bad guy.

I couldn't agree more Smitty. The process worked as it should we as a group decided our fate.

Really? You don’t think the pilot group should’ve gotten to vote on LOA 12? And you also agree with the MEC pushing hard for a yes vote on LOA 13 as opposed to giving the pilot group the good and bad and letting them decide? Those are the two issues that most people I’ve talked to are upset with.

This is the reason that myself and others I chat with are upset with CK about. I’ve seen used car salesman use less of a sell job the CK did for loa 13

The process was fatally flawed. There was zero polling since he took office, zero membership input, and the membership was purposefully kept in the dark for months during the time gap between LOA12 and LOA13. Secret negotiations occurred late last year to further erode scope, all of it in an attempt to retroactively “fix” LOA12 by expanding the scope concessions to more closely match the true intent of the NEA. LOA13 was then desperately sold to the membership like a used car. After LOA13 failed, he deflected and blamed both the volunteers and the membership. There was never any accountability. He should be gone.

While the statement itself may be true based on what you're expecting the line pilots to know, I do find it a bit insulting since the union is constantly unable to tell the line pilots the inner workings of what is currently going on. We get broad open ended answers to questions because of NDAs or other confidentiality agreements. So sure, many pilots are uninformed out of pure laziness, especially when it comes to contract knowledge. A lot of us though? We ask questions and are basically told we can't be given the answer, or even an idea of what's going on. It's like we're all sitting in a classroom with our hands raised and the teacher telling us to put our hands down.

Before the NEA LOA came out, how many threads did we have on here with rumors and bad information? It was because whenever a question was asked, we were told that we'd get details or some bullet points soon, which also led to more questions that would be unanswered, and then we were presented with a steaming pile of dog poo to vote on.

while I agree with you on the LOA12 issue we will have to respectfully disagree on the rest of your perspective. The MEC could have just accepted the offer from the company and passed LOA13 the fact that we voted on it unlike LOA12 showed me that this time the process worked. It wasn't a negotiation it was an offer, we turned it down. The company then decided to violate the CBA and move forward. We get to negotiate CBA 2.0 next year I hope to see the same strength that we showed on the LOA13 vote..