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symbian simian 04-15-2022 07:14 AM

"One passenger in the footage claimed the pilot tried to land at least four times in New York and that passengers were already sick to their stomachs.

"My kids are panicking," the passenger said as he stood up out of his seat. "People are sick back there. We gotta get off this plane. It's dangerous … we tried to land four times already." "

Two approaches, and a divert to EWR. Eye witness accounts are worse than useless.

Tankerhead 04-16-2022 04:23 PM

Too bad they didn’t have a flight attendant that was ready for a beer and a ride on a slide.

hockeypilot44 04-18-2022 06:08 AM

Should have just let them off. It's not like our borders are secure anyway. Anyone can just walk into this country unvetted.

CANEWT 04-19-2022 05:56 AM

I've been based in EWR for 18 years. There is customs available 24/7. It is minimal after a certain time but it is there. One of the reasons is to accommodate diverts. And flights that are ridiculously late. I pulled in at 3am one time and customs was there.
I am not commenting on what should or should not have happened on this flight, I'm just stating a fact

DrSours 04-19-2022 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by CANEWT (Post 3408463)
I've been based in EWR for 18 years. There is customs available 24/7. It is minimal after a certain time but it is there. One of the reasons is to accommodate diverts. And flights that are ridiculously late. I pulled in at 3am one time and customs was there.
I am not commenting on what should or should not have happened on this flight, I'm just stating a fact

I’ve already tried explaining that logic on here... you are about to be accused of not having any international divert experience ...watch out

BeatNavy 04-19-2022 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by CANEWT (Post 3408463)
I've been based in EWR for 18 years. There is customs available 24/7. It is minimal after a certain time but it is there. One of the reasons is to accommodate diverts. And flights that are ridiculously late. I pulled in at 3am one time and customs was there.
I am not commenting on what should or should not have happened on this flight, I'm just stating a fact

Perhaps. Although I read this elsewhere: “it’s not been 24 hours in a while. And FIS in C is limited to only to afternoons to evenings. There aren't enough Customs staff to run 24 hours. Or both terminals. And now with one less early morning flight (BOM), they open (with less staff) about 3:30 - 4:00 in the morning to handle the DEL and JNB flights” and “=12ptCBP had already processed TK29, the final scheduled international arrival into EWR for the night, which had arrived at 10:42 PM, and CBP agents then had just left for the night.” Given the overall staffing shortages at CBP, perhaps what’s traditionally been “always” and 24/7 isn’t quite “always” these days. Or maybe the info I have is wrong.

DrSours 04-19-2022 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 3408503)
Perhaps. Although I read this elsewhere: “it’s not been 24 hours in a while. And FIS in C is limited to only to afternoons to evenings. There aren't enough Customs staff to run 24 hours. Or both terminals. And now with one less early morning flight (BOM), they open (with less staff) about 3:30 - 4:00 in the morning to handle the DEL and JNB flights” and “=12ptCBP had already processed TK29, the final scheduled international arrival into EWR for the night, which had arrived at 10:42 PM, and CBP agents then had just left for the night.” Given the overall staffing shortages at CBP, perhaps what’s traditionally been “always” and 24/7 isn’t quite “always” these days. Or maybe the info I have is wrong.

Wow you went pretty light on this guy!

CANEWT 04-19-2022 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 3408503)
Perhaps. Although I read this elsewhere: “it’s not been 24 hours in a while. And FIS in C is limited to only to afternoons to evenings. There aren't enough Customs staff to run 24 hours. Or both terminals. And now with one less early morning flight (BOM), they open (with less staff) about 3:30 - 4:00 in the morning to handle the DEL and JNB flights” and “=12ptCBP had already processed TK29, the final scheduled international arrival into EWR for the night, which had arrived at 10:42 PM, and CBP agents then had just left for the night.” Given the overall staffing shortages at CBP, perhaps what’s traditionally been “always” and 24/7 isn’t quite “always” these days. Or maybe the info I have is wrong.

I should have been detailed.
You are correct. The main customs halls in C & B have set hours. If you go down there at 2am it will be empty.
However, there are at least a couple of customs folks in the airport 24/7. If a plane diverted at say 1am and broke or the crew timed out, there is a mechanism to get the pax off the plane. It won't be efficient, but it will happen.

Oh, by the way. GO NAVY.😁

todd1200 04-19-2022 10:00 AM

How many times has customs forced us to keep people on the plane (often with the door closed) for extended periods even when we’re at our planned arrival airport? I’m surprised this even a debate.

DrDHD 04-19-2022 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by DrSours (Post 3408480)
I’ve already tried explaining that logic on here... you are about to be accused of not having any international divert experience ...watch out

how many Dr’s do we have on this site. Lots of former medical professionals apparently


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