B6 or AA
 

30 years old and live in Maine, About 2 hours 20 mins from BOS. I have offers from JetBlue and AA. It seems like there’s mismanagement at both companies. Which would be the better route. Wide body flying isn’t that important to me. What is important is time at home and schedule flexibility.

Are you planning on staying a Mainuh for decades to come? No interest in moving?

AA, 100%. You can sit reserve at home. Can’t comfortably do that with JetBlue that far away.

If you’re planning on staying in Maine I’d go b6. AA Boston base is super senior and small. Domestic only on the 737. Yuck. How long will it be to hold an AA captain in Boston? What is it at b6? 3/4 years (non airbus). That’s just me tho. Maybe try DL. They’ve been dangling that Boston carrot for a decade now.

B6 max captain pay is higher than max 737 pay at AA (at least by the hourly rate) plus more junior. Just my opinion.

Plan on staying for sure.

BOS is senior for CA at AA, although you can get it pretty quick as an FO. I think the CA plug is a 2008 hire, although there was a pretty large hiring gap after that date - he's about halfway up the list overall. So 10 years maybe? It'll be a wait. If you know you're not going anywhere and don't care about widebody flying, I think I'd go to JetBlue. You *could* sit short call (and of course LC) that distance from BOS, but I think I'd rather just use my seniority to bid a quality line and maximize time off, and it seems that kind of seniority will happen sooner at JetBlue.

You’ll have way more opportunities at AA. They may not all be in BOS, but you’ll have them should you desire them one day in the future. For example, both JFK and PHL are very easy commutes for AA widebody positions. It might not interest you now, but it might in ten years.

BOS seniority at JB probably wont move much faster than AA. Perhaps on the A220 it might.

That said, I don’t see the JB BOS base going anywhere, while I could see AA closing theirs.

I wouldn’t focus too much on the BOS aspect, you’re 2 hours and 20 mins from the airport. It’s probably closer to 3 hours with traffic, dealing with Chelsea parking which I’ve heard has declined since we started parking there again.

Come to JetBlue. Our mismanagement is so deeply rooted in everything we do, it makes AA’s mismanagement look like amateurs.

Whats a B6 Captain top out at? AA 737 is 278.77.

$283.11

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My bad!

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Nobody puts a DELTA pilot in the corner:)

That’s weird, I guess APC is wrong. Can you post the current pay rate table on here?

I’ve sent updates to APc but they don’t post it.

I haven’t really looked at the APC rates, but you probably just need to multiply them by 1.03 (3% increase).

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latest base blast says a 320 bid in BOS is coming with arrival of 321xlrs

Really? The XLR’s got pushed back by Airbus until 2024 if I recall.

Had to know that one was coming. We’ll see if JB really wants to compete against AA.

https://airinsight.com/first-deliver...to-early-2024/

I imagine it will be more cooperation than competition in BOS/NYC. As you well know the NEA was conceived after the XLR order. Remains to be seen how that will impact JB's future transatlantic network...

Where’s this Boston base blast located?

I think you need an aa email account to see it.

Which base blast had this? Jfk?

B6 CA may top out a few bucks higher, but you'll make 73 CA at AA in 2 to 4 yrs, so your career earnings will most likely be much higher at AA.

Overall, completely agree. And then wide-bodies. And AA offered "Delta like" profit sharing, although I know if was not really fully comparable. JB pilots essentially don't have a FUNCTIONING profit sharing plan anymore.

Your work rules are dog 💩. We make more than you in narrow bodies.most pilots won’t transition. And if you’ve crossed the Atlantic you’ll know it’s not worth it.

​​​​​​​it was an AA pilot base blast, not JB

nobody is arguing that. We’re rooting for you guys to get some contract improvements and better narrowbody pay since that will likely effect us more directly than your 777 CA pay scales.

I agree on both of your points. I was just looking at it assuming the OP as B6 guy/gal wanting to stay BOS. 73 upgrade is quick, but he/she will end up commuting to LGA if they want to upgrade ASAP.

Gonna need to show your work on that math Mr. discount airline pilot guy.

Didn’t Flyby post the pay rates yesterday? Showing the math is a useless endeavor. There are AA captains that make more than B6 captains and vice versa.

Yeah, I think the pay/work rules situation is close enough that it makes more sense to look at it from a BOS seniority and future of the base standpoint. BOS is like our PHX base - I don't think it's going anywhere, but I wouldn't count on any growth either. If we were talking about the NYC base I think AA makes sense, but for BOS there's probably more eventual upside at JetBlue.

Here, I even made it pretty this time:

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https://i.postimg.cc/T3fSPZyW/Jetblue-FOpay.png

Our work rules are better than yours Mr. disconnected airline pilot guy. But the best part is we don’t have $43B in debt. Stick that in your hat and smoke it. 😂

We are about to lever up to the gills to buy NK so I wouldn't act so superior. Our management spent the 2010s buying back stock and blowing cash on tech startups to nowhere while NK had their eye on the ball. Now we are going to eat years of seniority and have a crummy balance sheet for decades, while NK investors will make out like bandits.

But hey, we got a 3% pay bump by selling scope so we can talk ******* to AA pilots about rates for a little while...

As for the original poster. This pilot group loves to work for less. Our upgrades are going to be measured in decades after this merger. Go where there is movement and the pilots have a spine.

Not yet anyway

Guys, AA's work rules suck, today. But that is possibly, and likely, one contract away from fixing most or all of those work rule differences. They can fix work rules and pay rates in a few months. Their management also just offered "Delta like(ish) profit sharing. JB's management said profit sharing was a "non-starter, and JB pilot currently don't have a functional profit sharing plan and JB can't change it's narrow-body only, young pilot group and few retirements dynamic anytime soon. And as others have said, the JB balance sheet may not look so good soon. The answer to the guys question isn't clear cut. None of us know how the next 5-10-20 years are gonna go.

As a prior "Eagle" guy, there's no amount of money on this planet that would ever convince me to work for AMR/AAG or whatever they are ever again.

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AAmen

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