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ProPilotBlue 11-17-2022 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3511413)
I guess we are all checkairmen/instructors now.

Check airmen get new hires to the point of being qualified to fly with a regular captain. Captains mentor and help them grow as aviators. If you're just sitting there collecting a paycheck, you're not doing your job (IMO).

ProPilotBlue 11-17-2022 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3511476)
Agree, not his/her fault the company is choosing not to compete for highly qualified pilots.

You do realize that these same candidates are going to legacy carriers too, right? Some of them come here first for a few months, but this is just the nature of the industry now.

ProPilotBlue 11-17-2022 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by feltf4 (Post 3511966)
So you’re sitting there. All fat dumb and happy. FO cranks it into the runway. Then goes can you give me a little help (maybe technique) on the next one? And you just say “no, I’m not giving tips or techniques”

Weird flex.

Yeah. That's the attitude you really look for in a captain, right? GMAFB

ProPilotBlue 11-17-2022 02:18 PM

I guess some of you failed (or ignored) the Pilot Professional Development training this year.

FAA AC 121-43
7.5 Communication Considerations. A mentor should have a willingness to share their knowledge with a protégé in a supportive and encouraging manner. A mentor should be honest, but not overly critical when providing feedback to a protégé. Consideration should be given to the format in which contact is made, the frequency of contacts, as well as the types of topics that may be covered. An air carrier/operator/program manager may want to define the formats for those contacts (e.g., in person, telephone, email, video conferencing, or other electronic means).

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...mentID/1037177

/rant

Sorry for the rant. This is just a pet peeve. A bunch of whiny captains who want the paycheck, but don't want the responsibilities that the pay entails is pretty pathetic.

Bluedriver 11-17-2022 02:39 PM

You made a big mistake lumping me in with the other poster. Our views are NOT the same.

At the same time JB captains, and more or less major airline captains in general have almost never before, or at least not for decades, had to mentor wet ATP certificates.

And my beef isn't so much with doing so, or the state of the industry, it's that thus far the company has chosen to lower the average experience hired to the bare minimum vs competing with a better than average compensation/work rules package.

​​​​​​If they were competing for the best qualified candidates, and all that was left was wet ATPs, so be it. But that hasn't happened.

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ProPilotBlue 11-17-2022 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3533603)
You made a big mistake lumping me in with the other poster. Our views are NOT the same.

At the same time JB captains, and more or less major airline captains in general have almost never before, or at least not for decades, had to mentor wet ATP certificates.

And my beef isn't so much with doing so, or the state of the industry, it's that thus far the company has chosen to lower the average experience hired to the bare minimum vs competing with a better than average compensation/work rules package.

​​​​​​If they were competing for the best qualified candidates, and all that was left was wet ATPs, so be it. But that hasn't happened.

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Okay, if you aren't the same as that guy, that's a good thing. But regardless of what the company does that doesn't mean that captains get a pass to be bad at their jobs. Professionalism means doing your job in spite of whatever dumb### stuff the company does.

SJS Maverick 11-17-2022 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by Odie01 (Post 3532941)
Anyone know how much time off after LOE? At one point I was hearing 6 weeks, now I think it might be more like 2 weeks.

This depends on your base but now it’s as early as 1 week.

DrSmacFum 11-18-2022 01:04 AM


Originally Posted by SJS Maverick (Post 3533817)
This depends on your base but now it’s as early as 1 week.

week wait for 320 JFK?

Just last week we were told its a "significant wait"

Bluedriver 11-18-2022 03:49 AM


Originally Posted by ProPilotBlue (Post 3533663)
Okay, if you aren't the same as that guy, that's a good thing. But regardless of what the company does that doesn't mean that captains get a pass to be bad at their jobs. Professionalism means doing your job in spite of whatever dumb### stuff the company does.

Yep, never said I wouldn't be an appropriate mentor, I asked (mostly joking for dramatic affect) if we would get paid for clearly being an instructor captain, which we are all about to become.

SaintNick 11-18-2022 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by ProPilotBlue (Post 3533663)
Okay, if you aren't the same as that guy, that's a good thing. But regardless of what the company does that doesn't mean that captains get a pass to be bad at their jobs. Professionalism means doing your job in spite of whatever dumb### stuff the company does.

big difference in not being willing to share and help the wet behind the ears aviators and not coming out and bombarding them with tips and techniques. If they ask I always answer.


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