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JulesWinfield 02-15-2023 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3592480)
going to have to initially. Our training center is full. No more sim bays available.

Sheltair? The FBO is full.

Bluedriver 02-15-2023 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Forward lav (Post 3592484)
MCO = LGB


Filler

I think JB's future in MCO is secure, but will likely be JB+NK, reshuffle the network in MCO to better suit the combined size, and call it good for a while.

I can't see much of an argument to move MCO to the front burner beyond that. Someday grow more? Probably. But the competitive airline game is largely about maximizing scale in your focus cities, especially in/to high value markets, and gobbling up resources that are scarce or will be scare in the future. I don't see MCO as being highly gate constrained, and it certainly isn't high value/high fare. And it's highly fractured, again not necessitating an immediate move to secure market share.

Just my opinion.

SSlow 02-15-2023 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by knewyork (Post 3592535)
Theres a reason ULCCs have grown so much there. It’s closest to what the MCO crowd is willing to pay for.

Exactly this. Orlando is mostly one giant trailer park outside of mickey world and a few other areas. FLL/MIA caters to a much more diverse crowd, from budget minded to all out ballers.

Boomer 02-15-2023 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3592650)
Exactly this. Orlando is mostly one giant trailer park outside of mickey world and a few other areas. FLL/MIA caters to a much more diverse crowd, from budget minded to all out ballers.

Vegas, but with trees.

Bgood 02-16-2023 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3592561)
My guess is that will be a BOS/JFK SQ trip. JFK-FLL, FLL-LHR, LHR-JFK. 4 day trip for probably 20hrs credit.

Nah, FLL will definitely have an SQ cadre. Think rsv coverage for broken pairings like a diversion in the summer time due to FL thunderstorms, or if someone calls out sick getting to FLL. If a pairing like that should become broken in FLL, it could be a multi-day recovery. They would need to fly someone else down from BOS/JFK then put them on rest first before operating FLL LHR. They will want to protect SQ flying a little better than that.

Flyby1206 02-16-2023 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3592730)
Nah, FLL will definitely have an SQ cadre. Think rsv coverage for broken pairings like a diversion in the summer time due to FL thunderstorms, or if someone calls out sick getting to FLL. If a pairing like that should become broken in FLL, it could be a multi-day recovery. They would need to fly someone else down from BOS/JFK then put them on rest first before operating FLL LHR. They will want to protect SQ flying a little better than that.

Yes, you’re probably right. I just wondered at what point we start getting more adventurous with SQ scheduling in terms of beyond the out and back from hub.

Bluedriver 02-16-2023 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3592756)
Yes, you’re probably right. I just wondered at what point we start getting more adventurous with SQ scheduling in terms of beyond the out and back from hub.

Maybe never, or maybe after there is an SQ FLL. They could build a trip something along the lines of your example from both bases. Or maybe never.

Bgood 02-16-2023 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3592756)
Yes, you’re probably right. I just wondered at what point we start getting more adventurous with SQ scheduling in terms of beyond the out and back from hub.

When the potential extra bonuses for the Execs calls for it.

Bgood 02-16-2023 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3592777)
Maybe never, or maybe after there is an SQ FLL. They could build a trip something along the lines of your example from both bases. Or maybe never.

I could see this happening. Having FLL SQ but still build a line like Flyby mentioned. If the pairings break then FLL covers it and vice versa when a FLL SQ pairing (FLL JFK LHR FLL)breaks in BOS/JFK.

Flyby1206 02-16-2023 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3592779)
I could see this happening. Having FLL SQ but still build a line like Flyby mentioned. If the pairings break then FLL covers it and vice versa when a FLL SQ pairing (FLL JFK LHR FLL)breaks in BOS/JFK.

Yes, in that case the pairing could be even lower risk because the FLL SQ pairing could go FLL-LHR-JFK-FLL with the risk of breaking on the last day JFK-FLL which could be covered by any JFK 320 RSV pilots.

The JFK SQ pairing could go JFK-LHR-FLL-JFK with the similar risk on the last day being covered by a regular FLL 320 RSV.

All the above SQ pairings only operate domestic legs on the last day. Keeping the breakage risk on the domestic leg and the last day of pairing is a win-win. End result JFK and FLL SQ pilots now have 20hr 4day trips 🥳😭


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