Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3769009)

I have had two de-ice occurrences that were so unreal, they would sound made up. You will get no argument from me on running a tight de-ice ship.

Are you saying your opinion is that the merger decision will be reversed? Or did I read your opinion incorrectly?

I agree, Pratt and it's suppliers have made a mess of JetBlue's growth plans. And I have no illusions about our new "investor" or our CBA prospects in the short term.

As for the order, I still think it is highly likely it was placed by JB, likely contingent on the NK outcome, and was part of a package deal that included revising the delivery schedule for our previous order book. I never claimed to be 100% positive, but I remain fairly convinced. I also reserve the right to be wrong on this one. And will admit I was if another airline claims the order. Until then, we wait. I was wrong that one time before...

Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3769016)

What I said was we need an over turn to get anything for ourselves. If it’s not overturned we’ll be in Section 6 for 3 to 4 years otherwise. I do think that Judge Young made a mistake and feel it could be overturned by the panel of three. I don’t see how both the Merger and NEA arguably opposite opinions on who our company is and how it effects the industry can both be blocked, but no one asked me except you.

Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3769016)

What I said was we need an over turn to get anything for ourselves. If it’s not overturned we’ll be in Section 6 for 3 to 4 years otherwise. I do think that Judge Young made a mistake and feel it could be overturned by the panel of three. I don’t see how both the Merger and NEA arguably opposite opinions on who our company is and how it effects the industry can both be blocked, but no one asked me except you.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3769082)

Have to agree.

Originally Posted by I was inverted (Post 3769130)

3-4 years? You won’t see a new CBA (unless it’s concessionary) until Uncle Carl is out of the picture. Much higher likelihood it’ll be JCBA negotiations before then, which is probably the best B6 pilots can hope for at this point anyway.

Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3769273)

Well hello there. I said 3-4 years just two weeks ago to a guy in personal conversation and he looked at me like I had two heads. So I guess I’ll revise to say Atleast being my most positive outlook. I agree that the JCBA is best we could hope for at the moment.

Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3769290)

JCBA with who? I thimk unfortantely there is no shot with the Appeal being overturned.....

Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3769290)

JCBA with who? I thimk unfortantely there is no shot with the Appeal being overturned.....

Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3769296)

”What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!...It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get goin'. Who's with me? Let's go! Come on!...”

Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3769290)

JCBA with who? I thimk unfortantely there is no shot with the Appeal being overturned.....

Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3769299)

Haha. I really hope so. Would be incredible but I we folks at Spirit don't have that kind of luck...

Originally Posted by I was inverted (Post 3769301)

Spirit deal is mostly dead regardless of the result of the appeal. There will likely be a new DOJ less than a year from now. And if it’s a Trump DOJ, they will not bat an eye if Icahn wants to sell jetblue to another carrier. If it’s another corrupt leftist DOJ, B6 can still be sold to Alaska with little DOJ resistance. I think that’s the most likely scenario regardless of the election results, but there are more options for Icahn if Trump wins.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3769381)

Icahn and Trump are friends. Icahn is one of the few big names to get involved in the Trump administration who didnt leave on bad terms with him. If Trump wins Icahn will get whatever he wants.

Originally Posted by I was inverted (Post 3769301)

Spirit deal is mostly dead regardless of the result of the appeal. There will likely be a new DOJ less than a year from now. And if it’s a Trump DOJ, they will not bat an eye if Icahn wants to sell jetblue to another carrier. If it’s another corrupt leftist DOJ, B6 can still be sold to Alaska with little DOJ resistance. I think that’s the most likely scenario regardless of the election results, but there are more options for Icahn if Trump wins.

Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3769476)

not sure if I see JB merging with a just recently merged Hal/AK. Seems a bit of a stretch but who knows anymore

Originally Posted by Irishblackbird (Post 3769572)

I'm still wondering how a HA/AK merger can happen, given the DOJ just set precedence by blocking our merger. I also don't understand why a treasury share deal was struck between Spirit and government, and if this is somehow related to the appeal. Thinking about a 3 way JB/HA/AK deal is really putting the cart before the horse.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3769381)

Icahn and Trump are friends. Icahn is one of the few big names to get involved in the Trump administration who didnt leave on bad terms with him. If Trump wins Icahn will get whatever he wants.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3769607)

Haley!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Wasntme (Post 3769656)

never bird brain.

Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3769669)

She would absolutely beat Biden, but she won’t beat Trump, but Trump won’t beat Biden 😂. So F’d up

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3769676)

Exactly. America doesn’t want Trump. They also don’t want Biden but they WILL pick him again over Trump. If Haley is the nominee she will win in a landslide. Republicans need to decide if they want a loser named Trump or a republican in the White House.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3769676)

Exactly. America doesn’t want Trump. They also don’t want Biden but they WILL pick him again over Trump. If Haley is the nominee she will win in a landslide. Republicans need to decide if they want a loser named Trump or a republican in the White House.

Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3769669)

She would absolutely beat Biden, but she won’t beat Trump, but Trump won’t beat Biden 😂. So F’d up

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3769677)

Have to agree.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 3769729)

yeah well America won’t be getting Biden or Trump.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 3769729)

yeah well America won’t be getting Biden or Trump.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3769780)

Why didn't the R's pick Haley?

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 3769788)

Oh you know why. The voters of the Republican Party do not really like the PARTY we are talking the “sensible” republicans as democrats would call them (until they are running against them) Haley is that type and the voters don’t trust that. I’m not also convinced she would win. As soon as she got the nomination it would be all out war against her. So those poll numbers would come down and you wouldn’t get the maga vote so it would be tough.

We will most likely end up with President Harris.

Now the question is with Ichan who will buy our delivery slots.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 3769788)

Oh you know why. The voters of the Republican Party do not really like the PARTY we are talking the “sensible” republicans as democrats would call them (until they are running against them) Haley is that type and the voters don’t trust that. I’m not also convinced she would win. As soon as she got the nomination it would be all out war against her. So those poll numbers would come down and you wouldn’t get the maga vote so it would be tough.

We will most likely end up with President Harris.

Now the question is with Ichan who will buy our delivery slots.

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3769381)

Icahn and Trump are friends. Icahn is one of the few big names to get involved in the Trump administration who didnt leave on bad terms with him. If Trump wins Icahn will get whatever he wants.

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3769842)

Never heard Icahn was in the Trump administration. What Cabinet level position did he hold? I follow him pretty closely.

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3769842)

Never heard Icahn was in the Trump administration. What Cabinet level position did he hold? I follow him pretty closely.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3769832)

Ichan will sell any aircraft you own, pocket the cash, get kickbacks from the leasing company that he sells them to and demand the right to sell tickets for 25% of the available seats. He is a nice man!

Originally Posted by cantankerous (Post 3769866)

He was Trumps Special Advisor to the President on Regulatory Reform

Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3769905)

From Wiki,Upon becoming the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Trump announced that he would nominate Icahn for United States Secretary of the Treasury.[95] However, he instead nominated Steven Mnuchin.[96]
[97]

On December 21, 2016, it was announced that Icahn would serve as special advisor to the president on regulatory reform under President Donald Trump and that Icahn would aid Trump in an "individual capacity" rather than as a federal employee, and that he would not have "specific duties" and therefore would not have to relinquish his business interests while serving as an advisor to Trump.[98] Icahn stepped down from this role on August 18, 2017, citing a desire not to interfere with the work of Neomi Rao as administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3770296)

Trump fired him, just less than 7 months into his administration.. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/b...p-adviser.html

Icahn says he quit. The White House says Trump fired him.