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Old 03-31-2005, 05:06 AM
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JetBlue pilots have all been schooled on the subjects of RASM and CASM so I feel somewhat qualified to make the following comments.
We took an airplane (190) with an already tight CASM (number of seats/cost of ownership) and we added $1 million in televisions and $1 million in HUDS. Both of which will have to be paid for with fuel over the life of the aircraft. The training costs and maintenance on the HUDS will be significant as well.
So why isn't jetBlue worried about the growing CASM?
Because they can take it out of pilot pay.
Our mechanics and flight attendants and dispatchers will all be paid the same going rate on this airplane but pilots will close the gap to make the plane profitable.
I had someone e-mail me the other day and tell me that HUDS do not have a return on investment. WHAT! He said that's why nobody buys them. So I called my friend the CRJ fleet manager and he confirmed that there was absolutely no justification for HUDS when they bought their airplanes.
Long and Short -
Pilot pay on the 190 will be shorted to justify a $1 million toy with no ROI.
Your tax dollars at work.
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Old 03-31-2005, 10:42 AM
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You could tell that they were going to justify this unconscionable pay when the comparisons to the 320 were made over and over. 66% of seats, size, etc.

How come they didn't compare it to the B717?

For those of us that are in the bottom half of the seniority list, this could have been a nice option while we waited for the 320 left seat "carrot". Neeleman came to recurrent and related the story of the pilot that wanted the 190 to be paid at 320 rates. Of course he used an over the top/outrageous example to justify the rates. No one really expected that. In fact, even another $10-15/hour might have been incentive enough...at the very least not such an insult.

Not worth my time or effort to go to training, take a 2 month paycut, and then sign the logbook for another 15 grand a year over what I'm making now.

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Old 03-31-2005, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Realistic
JetBlue pilots have all been schooled on the subjects of RASM and CASM so I feel somewhat qualified to make the following comments.
We took an airplane (190) with an already tight CASM (number of seats/cost of ownership) and we added $1 million in televisions and $1 million in HUDS. Both of which will have to be paid for with fuel over the life of the aircraft. The training costs and maintenance on the HUDS will be significant as well.
So why isn't jetBlue worried about the growing CASM?
Because they can take it out of pilot pay.
Our mechanics and flight attendants and dispatchers will all be paid the same going rate on this airplane but pilots will close the gap to make the plane profitable.
I had someone e-mail me the other day and tell me that HUDS do not have a return on investment. WHAT! He said that's why nobody buys them. So I called my friend the CRJ fleet manager and he confirmed that there was absolutely no justification for HUDS when they bought their airplanes.
Long and Short -
Pilot pay on the 190 will be shorted to justify a $1 million toy with no ROI.
Your tax dollars at work.
Realistic
I can see the reason for the hud by allowing us to go to lower mins. The ability to get in on the really bad days will allow us to keep the system moving. I've seen it at JFK where only the cat III equipped aircraft are allowed to continue on to JFK vs holding/diverting/ground hold. Will it be worth the $$$, I don't know.

However I see no point o buy 2 huds per jet. Since the FO will never do a Cat II/III hand flown approach as it will be a Capt Flown Approach we don't need to waste the money putting a hud on the right side. The 737s that have huds (SWA and Alaska) don't have one on the right side. Whoever signed us up for dual huds just cost us big bucks!

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Old 04-26-2005, 05:52 AM
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FNG,
The vendors who sell HUDS have computer models that can tell you whether or not a HUD will provide a return on investment. A bean counter will tell you that just because you can go to lower minimums does not mean that we are going to write a check for 60 million dollars.
It would be interesting to see the model that we ran - if we ran one.
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