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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
(Post 2811183)
I see my analogy upset some folks. Oh well.
The takeaway is that people who work at one place, and complain that they don't make as much as employees at the other place do can either a) apply to the higher-paying place and move on up, or b) accept that they work at a place that pays them less. Of course, trying to convince mgmt to increase their wage is always an added option to b) (in fact, it is the preferred option to whining on an internet forum about how they deserve more). No one's arguing that our skills are worth something. But EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU at JB applied knowing the differences between JB and the legacies. Why accept the job, if it wasn't what you truly wanted? That seems to be the point of contention between those who like it here (85-90%) and those who choose to complain. I prefer to enjoy my days off, save as much as I can to enjoy my life after JB, and live life to the fullest. Getting mad about where I chose to work is stupid, because that is where I CHOSE to work. I have no one to blame but myself if my life were to suck because of my job. 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2019 and now. Doesn't make it right. Just the same portion of the learning curve continually repeats itself as we continue to hire. I have seen it on every committee I have been on. The company counts on newbie ignorance to slow the pace of the pilot group down as they learn for themselves all the lessons the previous committee group or pilots in the group have already learned. Then we hire some more and the process repeats itself. 360 is what this company is desperate to find. Those that have 4.5-grade point average in TMAAT you turned a negative into a positive, looked the other way, found the bright spot, made a conflated rationalization. Then the company adds them into a project pilots status or interview team which makes them even more special and that the rest of us don't see or have the full picture of bluejet. Funny thing is our eyes are wide open and theirs are not yet. Sometimes they open and sometimes they are not. But it takes time which is what the company is counting on. Time. It keeps marching on. |
Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
(Post 2811474)
Different screen same talking points from;
2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2019 and now. Doesn't make it right. Just the same portion of the learning curve continually repeats itself as we continue to hire. I have seen it on every committee I have been on. The company counts on newbie ignorance to slow the pace of the pilot group down as they learn for themselves all the lessons the previous committee group or pilots in the group have already learned. Then we hire some more and the process repeats itself. 360 is what this company is desperate to find. Those that have 4.5-grade point average in TMAAT you turned a negative into a positive, looked the other way, found the bright spot, made a conflated rationalization. Then the company adds them into a project pilots status or interview team which makes them even more special and that the rest of us don't see or have the full picture of bluejet. Funny thing is our eyes are wide open and theirs are not yet. Sometimes they open and sometimes they are not. But it takes time which is what the company is counting on. Time. It keeps marching on. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 2811571)
Yeah, but you knew JB was going to get worse when you got hired. And lemonade.
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
(Post 2811283)
Tell me more about 5% of the PS going to retirement? I think you just outed yourself as a non-pilot, or a really ill-informed one.
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
(Post 2811665)
You've been here longer than me. If you're not aware of how your retirement is being funded then I cannot help you further.
If you are referring to the ledger entry at LSC then, of course, the left pocket is funding the right pocket. That is what is happening now with our base pay rates and block hours and pairing construction and PTOSB, new VDA FCFS window (prem OT) and other items to get the new contract as close to zero cost. It is what this company has always done. |
Wow somebody resurrected a thread of mine from 9 years ago and now it's turned into :eek:
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
(Post 2811665)
You've been here longer than me. If you're not aware of how your retirement is being funded then I cannot help you further.
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
(Post 2811246)
You do realize jetBlue used to pay the avg of the legacies correct? So your argument is what now... that you see bluejet as a
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
(Post 2811674)
Retirement Advantage no longer applies to the pilot group.
If you are referring to the ledger entry at LSC then, of course, the left pocket is funding the right pocket. That is what is happening now with our base pay rates and block hours and pairing construction and PTOSB, new VDA FCFS window (prem OT) and other items to get the new contract as close to zero cost. It is what this company has always done. |
Originally Posted by pilotpayne
(Post 2811816)
I think there was an article that pretty much said by the end of this Q or next the cost “headwinds” from the pilot contract will be 0....that was quick.
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