jetBlue Hiring
 

Can we start a new thread that applies to jetBlue hiring since the "latest and greatest" has turned into a session on arguing over pay and benefits. Some of us still want to be employed. Can a moderator throw this into the hiring forum?

Jetblue hiring
 

Interviewed May 16th. Was told that would be the last interview group until the Fall. Got Phase 2 e-mail on Thursday. Filling classes thru out the summer from pool. Was told a class date can take up to 6 months.

Thanks for the info Nixspilot and congrats! Keep us updated as time permits.

I interviewd 3/21. Im lookin at sept so 3-5 months is prob accurate depending on class size. Guys that interviewd 2/5 are still waitin. Nice job gettn away from latest/greatest.

good idea..

Do you think the other thread is representative of the way the pilots treat one another on the line? It has to be a difficult working environment with tensions bubbling so close to the surface.

In reading those threads you would think it was adversarial but on the line it is exactly opposite. Yes there are slam clickers but all in all the pilots here are easy to get along with. The personality type JB looks for is just that someone who gets along and has fun at work, they have done a good job finding those type of pilots. That being said there is a huge divide in the pilot group on representation but the discussions are far more civilized then what is being displayed on this forum. Yes we are underpaid and under compensated by at least 28% but most of the pilots are either looking for jobs elswhere or don't care about representation anymore. IMHO apathy appears to have set in among most of the other CBA supports that I know. It is a good place to work hopefully management will realize that guys/girls are leaving and up the compensation to keep the pilot group here.

Thanx for the insight- this forum does tend to breed conflict. I presume its the 5% making 95% of the noise.

I was in recurrent this week. Leadership said to expect classes to continue through the summer. This wasn't the original plan but I guess the plan has changed (again). They are continuing with 20/month. (subject to change of course). Good luck guys/girls

Thats great news to alot of us guessing about classes and the size there of. Thanx atp

More rats jumping ship.

I have a couple buddies over there and I am psyched to be in Phase Two right now. Can't wait to get over there because of what they relate to me.

Basically, from what I can gather JetBlue is a good place to be, perfect no, but good. There are things they would like to see improve and push that cause as they can.

For me it looks like a place that represents an improvement over where I am now from the perspective of stability, pay over the long term, and a base at home, along with better equipment. Is it a career destination? I don't really know but right now the conventional career places haven't picked up the phone. That said the ability to be based at home, sitting reserve from home is a huge plus in QOL to me.

here here 402

Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no pool. There are candidates in phase II.

Question regarding domiciles: would FLL or MCO be possible as a new-hire? Or are those senior?

I think they're smaller than the big bases like JFK/BOS. I'd image 190 MCO would be your best bet to get to FL.

Absolutely not possible RIGHT NOW. The company has announced a major expansion to FLL, so in the next couple years it might be possible, just not probable. MCO though, no chance in hell, and MCO is not predicted to grow at all in the coming years.

Yeah I forgot to mention FLL departures are planned to double once infrastructure improvements are complete.

Anyone have an idea when they might open a new window?

Most junior pilot in bid status (~2500 pilots systemwide):
FLL A320 FO = #2209
MCO A320 FO = #2082
MCO E190 FO = #2232

I'm taking a huge WAG and say if you get hired today it will be 12-18 months before you can hold A320 in FLL or E190 in MCO.

Thanx to the Blue line guys for shedding some light on these questions. We re all just shootin in the dark and any hard info is appreciated. Anyone have info on the Aug class date yet?

BOS and JFK are the junior bases. The #2232 at MCO was in my class, and we went through in Sep/Oct 2011. If you want E190, plan on either BOS or JFK. If you want A320, plan on JFK...period.

Great info thanx amc.

LGB/Lax junior FO was low 2200s as well Aug 10 class 2011. Just FYI. I have been hearing of them hiring 320 FO's directly to Boston as well.

Yeah, I think one of the classes earlier this year had a handful of A320 BOS guys.

Yeah, one from class 06-13 and one from class 07-13 this year for BOS A320 FOs. Haven't heard the breakdown from class 8.

The bottom 11 BOS 320 FOs have all been hired within the past few months. Keep em coming!

That's good info. If I am lucky enough to get the call in the next couple months I am wondering which equipment would be better to bid. Obviously the bus pays more after year one, but it is about more than pay.

I am hoping to be BOS based as it is an easy drive from my home. New York's about 3.5 so not really able to sit reserve at home. If one bids the bus and gets JFK, is there any idea how long it would take to get to BOS. Or, alternatively, to hold a line? Same for the 190.

Not that pay s unimportant but I am looking for the greatest QOL meaning more time home as we have a daughter due next month. What other factors would some of you JetBlue guys consider in bidding aircraft?

Thanks for any info. While I'm at it, what is training like these days, length of time, opportunity to travel home, etc. Thanks

First off, congrats on the baby next month.

If you are eventually looking to sit reserve in BOS and enjoy the QOL then I would recommend the 320. At least you would be getting more $$ at 75hrs/month on reserve compared to the E190.

My class was all JFK 320. I spent about 6 months total on the line in JFK before I started in BOS. Even being on reserve in JFK I was able to stay home in BOS on days when I had long call (more common in the Sept-March months). Commuting BOS-JFK on reserve isnt too bad in my opinion. Lines in JFK 320 typically happen fast (6-8 months). The 190 in BOS is about the same wait to hold a line.

Ive been bidding reserve since I got hired, and have been averaging about 40-50hrs a month in BOS on the 320. QOL is definitely great, but 75hrs pay could be better.

Training is about 6.5 weeks. If I remember correctly you get a break of 3-4 days about halfway through. I also went home a few weekends without too much difficulty. You get travel benefits the 1st week of class. I am sure some of the more recent newhires can add details.

Hope this helps, shoot me a message if anyone has more questions. Good luck.

Shouldn't be a problem to get BOS out of training. If you don't, you'd likely get it on the next system bid, which would be about 6 months down the road, maybe less depending on when you were hired in the cycle. I can't speak for reserve coming up, but I was off reserve on the 190 about 2 months after I finished IOE. Not sure if that's typical or not. That was in BOS. If I had bid JFK, I would have held a line a month earlier.

Wanna thank the line pilots from blue for the insight. Is the pay still 2500 for the duration or is it 500 a week?

2500/mo until you finish your last Simulator check. Then it goes to 70hrs/mo until you finish IOE, then it will most likely go to 75hrs/month when they build you a reserve line

thanx flyby for the accurate info.

Bid the e190. First year pay is the same on both fleets and a line holder on either aircraft makes more money period. After year 2 bid the bus bos where by then you could hold a line. If you bid the '320 you will be commuting to reserve for at least 6 months.

I did exactly that. You aren't going to get FLL/LGB for at least 2 years anyway (if that's your reason for wanting the bus). The people in My class who bid the 320 did not get lines for a 1 1/2. Pay wise I made considerably more than them. If you live in base you can start making some okay money your second year. As a commuting line holder I made a little more then 80k my second year if I lived in base I could have added 10k to that. End of 2nd year I bid the bus ASAP.

For my class, 190 was the best way to go.

First year pay is the same but the bus guys sat reserve all year while the 190 guys held a line after 2-3 months. Year one the 190 guys were around 15k ahead depending on their credit.

Second year pay the bus guys make 10% more than the 190 guys but are still on reserve while the 190 guys bid ~50-60% in base. Year two the 190 guys are again ~15k ahead (or more).

Total difference of around 30k over two years as well as schedule flexibility. I still couldnt hold a line in the 320. when you can hold a line in the 320 and start to gain a little seniority then it is the way to go.

This is great information, thanks everyone. I'm starting class in a few weeks, I live between FLL and MCO and am trying to decide equipment type if given the choice. If I'm a 190 line holder in JFK, is it possible to swap with trips in MCO or pick up open time in MCO? Thanks for the help!

As it stands today, no. There has been discussion about open time being available to everyone at all bases, but that isn't allowed currently.

Enjoy bro- let us know how the first couple of days go. Congrats

This isn't really part of the topic of this thread (as far as we know) but a buddy of mine sent me an email explaining the 3a lawsuit for those of us who never heard of it before yesterday. I thought the information was important enough to share. Here is what he sent me:

"I’m sure you have heard by now that the judge ruled in favor of the pilots on the “3A arbitration.” 3A refers to the section of our PEA (individual contract) that states that every pilot will receive an identical percentage pay increase that a new hire receives. In 2007, the 190 pilot rates were extremely low and the company increased the 190 pay rates without increasing Airbus wages an equal percentage amount. This was found to be in violation of section 3A of our PEA.

This is obviously good for those pilots that were involved in the lawsuit, but I’m not sure how it will affect us that are not involved. I don’t think it will negatively affect us too much. The good things that came out of this are that there is now legal precedence that we can be viewed as a group and not viewed as individual contractors (beneficial in a merger). Maybe it will also force the company to treat the PEA as a real contract instead of changing it on a whim when they feel necessary.

I don’t know how or when the pilots will be paid as that is yet to be determined. There is obviously a lot of speculation about back pay, future pay rates, and a B-scale. There is a lot of discussion on the company ***** board about future pay rates, and it may stand that after our pay increase for 2014 the rates will be in line to what the pay rates would be as dictated by the 3A ruling, therefore no B-scale. There are some, and especially the lower-level management types, that say the company will do the right thing and if the 3A guys are giving an increase due to the ruling, they will give it to everybody. I would be surprised if that happens, but I don’t really know.

I’ll let you know as I hear more official information, but I am thinking and hoping that this will be better for all pilots. On the downside, the company is now liable for a very large pay out that could have an impact on other areas. We’ll see how it all plays out."