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Velocipede 03-23-2007 01:49 PM

The local FSDO approved it. The FAA didn't know what was going on. And when they found out, B6 was censured for carrying out 'experiments' with revenue pax onboard.

Does the G in Gman stand for Goebbels? You sure pump out enough half-truth propaganda to make the Nazi Minister of Information proud.

Skyone 03-23-2007 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by Velocipede (Post 138185)
Sorry, boys, but I'm not providing a free ride to any non-Union pilot who undercuts my contract, whether he's going to or coming from work.

And when and if I ever get back to the states, I just can't wait to deny pilots of your airline the js........Oh wait. We still don't know who you fly for. I finally have it figured out, too many years as a HAC will surely fry your brain. I doubt very seriously if you have twenty years in this industry, so don't go lecturing a FNG. To me, you are the FNG who doesn't have a clue (no T-34B time, eh? Got your wings around '78? Better edit your profile our your own at your airline will find out who you are. Ready to stand before them and explain your idiocy?).

Grow some, Major, and name the airline.

Linebacker35 03-23-2007 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Velocipede (Post 138185)
Sorry, boys, but I'm not providing a free ride to any non-Union pilot who undercuts my contract, whether he's going to or coming from work.

Yes the pilots of Jet blue caused the down fall of the industry.

Im sorry that you think that a airline less then 10 years old should be paying their pilots as much as SW, Alaska, UA, AA, Delta, NWA, Continental....
Im preety sure even your oh so wonderful airline didnt start out as an amazing high paying place to work.
All start ups have to start like this, its how they get their foot in the door.... and eventualy they get up there to!

LOOK AT SOUTHWEST!!! their employees had to make sacrifices to fight the big dogs in the beggining.... and now look at where they are!

bluechunks 03-23-2007 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Gman (Post 138187)
Blinded by hate, your post, as usual, leaves out he facts:

THE FAA APPROVED IT !!!

UM....NOT REALLY.....

The local FSDO approved a temporary exemption that permitted the use of Part 121 supplemental (subpart S) rules during the test for domestic >8 hour operations. FWIW, subpart S allows >8 hours of flight time if the crew is augmented with more than 2 pilots.

So far so good...

However, JetBlue pilots remained in their seats for greater than 8 hours during the test which is a clear violation of Part 121 supplemental rules. Even while allowing more than 8 hours of flight time aloft, supplemental rules still prohibit "flight deck duty" for greater than 8 hours. Some JetBlue crews flew complete transcon turns with the "safety" pilot in the jumpseat. Oops...

What the FAA approved and what JetBlue actually operated were two different things.

When the story broke, the FAA ran for cover for:

1) even granting the exemption for domestic operations in the first place

-and-

2) not providing proper oversight to what JetBlue was actually doing.

Due to the culpability by both parties, the FAA and JetBlue have a mutual vested interest in pretending the entire event never occurred.

Fins Up 03-24-2007 03:54 PM

After reviewing the play, that call on the field stands. No penatly for JetBlue. Good enough.

legend 03-26-2007 06:43 PM

courage or coward
 
Mr. V,

My question to you is what is your name and airline you fly for. Are you a person of courage or are you a coward? Its time to back up what comes out of that mouth of yours. Reveal or not to reveal (couragious or coward).

Your turn!

aerobato 03-26-2007 08:06 PM

Alaska, it's been said in many other threads already.....read before post, read before post OK got it

Velocipede 03-27-2007 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by legend (Post 139727)
Your turn!

Why does it mean so much to you? Considering the anonymity of the Internet, I could claim to be anyone working for any airline and you wouldn't know the difference.

Besides, my opinions are mine alone. They do not reflect the policy of any particular airline or Union group.

If you don't like reading them, put me on ignore. Of course, that's kind of like burying your head in the sand, because reality marches on with or without you. For some, ignorance is bliss.

I wish you much happiness.

Skyone 03-27-2007 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Velocipede (Post 139937)
Why does it mean so much to you? Considering the anonymity of the Internet, I could claim to be anyone working for any airline and you wouldn't know the difference.

Besides, my opinions are mine alone. They do not reflect the policy of any particular airline or Union group.
I wish you much happiness.

All true, however, you do not operate in a vacum. Your decisions (not opinions) do have an affect on your pilot group. That's why many here want to know who you fly for. Your decisions reflect directly on your pilot group.

Velocipede 03-27-2007 03:05 PM

Perhaps they don't "know" as much as they think they do.


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