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#23
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Continuing the thread...
OE, after successfully completing your gates to the type rating, is an open ended training program to get you comfortable with the (most likely) new environment and aircraft. You will not be released to your Line Check until your OE instructor is satisfied that you are ready.
Within AQP, the LOE (previously mentioned check ride) and Line Check are PRIA events. Everything else is internal.
AQP is much different than the old school documentation under 135 and 121. There is no singular event that validates your competency. It is an ongoing event chain that requires you to validate multiple tasks along the way.
OE, after successfully completing your gates to the type rating, is an open ended training program to get you comfortable with the (most likely) new environment and aircraft. You will not be released to your Line Check until your OE instructor is satisfied that you are ready.
Within AQP, the LOE (previously mentioned check ride) and Line Check are PRIA events. Everything else is internal.
AQP is much different than the old school documentation under 135 and 121. There is no singular event that validates your competency. It is an ongoing event chain that requires you to validate multiple tasks along the way.
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How would that work? Are you required to swap your ticket back out with the FAA to get the type removed? Just curious.
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A. If you need to document your training in your logbook, you don't have enough hours yet to tell yourself that the training stuff is fluff.
B. Yes, I am a ball buster.
C. AQP is a multi gate training program. For initials, you have 3 separate validation events that collectively create your type rating. So, it is not a one liner in the logbook. If you really want to document it, it is 5 FTD sessions, 5 simulator sessions, 3 LOFT events and a check ride, which is the LOE.
You can PM me if you want more specifics...
B. Yes, I am a ball buster.
C. AQP is a multi gate training program. For initials, you have 3 separate validation events that collectively create your type rating. So, it is not a one liner in the logbook. If you really want to document it, it is 5 FTD sessions, 5 simulator sessions, 3 LOFT events and a check ride, which is the LOE.
You can PM me if you want more specifics...
#26
That’s such BS...They must be afraid of people grabbing a type and then just leaving..
#28
Now maybe you don't get paid CA pay or can't fly without an instructor until you complete OE at a specific airline, but there are thousands of airline pilots who have bought their own type ratings that are completely "FAA valid" that have not had to go through any kind of consolidation. You could, for instance, fly a ferry flight with the ink still wet on your ticket if you wanted.
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When I was a check airman in another life, guys that couldn’t consolidate could get an extension by getting a line check or failing that go to the sim and take a PC.
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Not true. There was originally an opinion that completion of OE was required under AQP to complete the type rating process. However, as our APM found out, the folks at the FAA changed their own interpretation of the rules.
We had a couple of people bail before completing OE. The APM tried to get their type ratings invalidated. But, FAA HQ overruled his actions. So, basically, you can walk out of the sim on LOE day and keep your rating. But, you head better be heading to a major (or, 5Y, who loves to steal our pilots) if you want to find a job. The privately held airline owners are on a pretty tight "good old boy network".
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