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The Dominican 11-12-2019 02:52 AM


Originally Posted by MoarAlpha (Post 2922188)
Did they have previous Part 121 time? Most companies (career destinations) seem to require it to apply. I'll have to double check.

Hello Again, just wanted to clarify that my intention here is to bring clarity for those that are interested, I don't mean to start an empty argument but I also don't want people to get discouraged because they read that you won't qualify for an F/O position if you are a 777 and instructor captain for one of the top airlines in the world:rolleyes:

Ok, lets talk about the expat market, first of all you need extensive experience as an airline pilot to be hired in the likes of Emirates, Qatar, ANA, China Southern, they are simply not interested in you if you don't, so yes! The vast majority of Americans working abroad have previous 121 time, unless it is a case (and there are a few) with dual citizenship and their previous airline experience has also been abroad, some of the Latinamerican carriers for example Latam, GOL.
As a matter of fact, I know a Brazilian/American that was working In China (Instructor captain on the A320) and had to take a job as an F/O at a regional to meet 121.436 that requires 1,000 121 SIC to act as PIC part 121 (or a combination of part 135PIC and 91.1053) but that only applies to be able to act as PIC under part 121, there are no limits to be hired as an F/O, in his particular case, he wanted to target a A320 operator and be based in Florida, and he is there now after he flew the required SIC time under 121.436.

People get hired all the time guys, from the ME, from China..., these boards are very limited in terms of experiences because it is a very small group of people that participates, the biggest problem for Americans working abroad is believe it or not, maintaining a US drivers license for the background check, and in the case of Fedex, they need to live 5 years in the US prior to applying because of the restrictions of the backgfround check and the USPS contract but that is it.

thepotato232 11-12-2019 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by The Dominican (Post 2922171)
Pilots on the expat market have decades in the business the basic requirement to become an expat pilot is experience, they have enough low time pilots, that experience brings the network since people we have flown with and even trained are now in positions at the majors, not sure your theory holds water!

Maybe, just maybe! The whole "working abroad" disadvantage is just a bunch of nonsense.

The entire point of my post is that there is no inherent disadvantage to having expat experience. The issues that must be overcome are related to networking and face time, and they can be harder to address when working on the opposite side of the planet from the desired job.

I flew as an expat for eight years based on three different continents before coming to work at Kalitta, and my experience is not at all unusual for this company. I have felt welcome and happy since my first day flying the line. No one here is looking down on expats like us, but some of them are unclear on some of the obstacles we might face in coming home. There are more expatriates here on this board than you might think; particularly in discussions of ACMI. And for my part, I have yet to hear talk of FAR 129 outside of internet message boards.

No Land 3 11-12-2019 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by MoarAlpha (Post 2922258)
And a few in the 777 training program as well correct? I'm sure it's a good group to hire from with that worldwide experience.



I guess Part 129 doesn't limit you as might as I thought. I saw a lot of guys coming back at the regionals straight from Emirates and thought the major's wants some current Part 121 time prior to applying. I know Kalitta doesn't seem to care one way or another for hiring so apply to your heart's content! Looking at other airline requirements I see I was mistaken about Part 129 affecting your chances at many airlines in the US. Fedex requires some time in the US before being considered, but this being a K4 thread that doesn't matter.

I know of an F/A 18 pilot that was told to get 500 hours at a regional and he would have a job at Delta. That was Delta however...

Checkers21 11-12-2019 05:06 PM

it’d be nice to see the results of the 767 scheduling survey.

Riverside 11-12-2019 05:15 PM

Also the pilot survey from last month.

jhugz 11-12-2019 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Checkers21 (Post 2922681)
it’d be nice to see the results of the 767 scheduling survey.

...it hasn't even closed yet :rolleyes:

Colt45 11-13-2019 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by jhugz (Post 2922758)
...it hasn't even closed yet :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 2922684)
Also the pilot survey from last month.

I don’t think the Union would want to do something like that, especially if we’re going into negotiations. I could be wrong. But sure, it’d be interesting to see what the group had to say.

jhugz 11-13-2019 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by Colt45 (Post 2922786)
I don’t think the Union would want to do something like that, especially if we’re going into negotiations. I could be wrong. But sure, it’d be interesting to see what the group had to say.

I think you're on to something :)

sky jet 11-13-2019 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 2922684)
Also the pilot survey from last month.

I'm sure Connie, Pete, Laurie and a few other people would like to see it also. Don't look for it to be published publicly. It's probably not going to happen.

Riverside 11-13-2019 04:01 AM

I thought the union said they were going to post something. But the communication director or whoever was in a meeting.


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