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WhaleWrangler 01-14-2021 03:50 AM
Originally Posted by Davidmon5 (Post 3181239)
Now that we are past the amenable date, and if this offer does get a resounding “no” vote (especially from the 767 guys and FOs that have been slighted), what is the legality of the union officially asking us not to fly OT? I have a feeling that two or three weeks of no Over Time would immediately bring them back to the table with a serious offer, given how busy we are.
The Union CAN NOT say don't fly overtime, they can get themselves in hot water for that. However your conscience can tell you otherwise.

WhaleWrangler 01-14-2021 03:58 AM
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Here is what it boils down to.

WhaleWrangler 01-14-2021 04:02 AM
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Scenarios. Shows min guarantee and average for 74 / 777 hours. 767 doesn't break 64, lines are generally 35-45 hours per month.

gollum 01-14-2021 04:25 AM
Originally Posted by Davidmon5 (Post 3181239)
Now that we are past the amenable date, and if this offer does get a resounding “no” vote (especially from the 767 guys and FOs that have been slighted), what is the legality of the union officially asking us not to fly OT? I have a feeling that two or three weeks of no Over Time would immediately bring them back to the table with a serious offer, given how busy we are.
that would be a coordinated work action and completely illegal. Each pilot has to decide for themselves. To each their own as they say.

Slatsnflaps 01-14-2021 07:57 AM
If the committee got the company to clean up the contract language and allowed some QOL improvement, I would be ok with a two year contract at the 2023 and 2024 rates. Anything less is an unsat.

Palmtree Pilot 01-14-2021 09:14 AM
Originally Posted by Davidmon5 (Post 3181239)
...(especially from the 767 guys and FOs that have been slighted)...
Please explain this statement. I was under the impression that since the 777 fleet was added and seat locks were lifted for a while, that any FO from the 76 could be flying a different airframe by now. If not, can they not bid off with the new 74 vacancy that just came out?

Otherwise how have they been slighted?

Frank717 01-14-2021 09:35 AM
Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 3181410)
Please explain this statement. I was under the impression that since the 777 fleet was added and seat locks were lifted for a while, that any FO from the 76 could be flying a different airframe by now. If not, can they not bid off with the new 74 vacancy that just came out?

Otherwise how have they been slighted?
Are you serious? Just because the current pilots on the 767 are allowed to bid out, why should new pilots moving into the 767 have to suffer? I’m not sure if that’s what you are implying... but we can’t have a contract that only benefits 60% of a pilot group and screws the rest.

Lockheed 01-14-2021 09:58 AM
Originally Posted by Frank717 (Post 3181420)
Are you serious? Just because the current pilots on the 767 are allowed to bid out, why should new pilots moving into the 767 have to suffer? I’m not sure if that’s what you are implying... but we can’t have a contract that only benefits 60% of a pilot group and screws the rest.
exactly how are you suffering?
The 767 is the junior equipment at K4 today and will most likely remain so
The more senior equipment types offer higher pay possibilities - just like every other airline

Palmtree Pilot 01-14-2021 10:14 AM
Originally Posted by Frank717 (Post 3181420)
Are you serious? Just because the current pilots on the 767 are allowed to bid out, why should new pilots moving into the 767 have to suffer? I’m not sure if that’s what you are implying... but we can’t have a contract that only benefits 60% of a pilot group and screws the rest.
Settle down Francis...I’m not implying ANYTHING... I ASKED a question. I want to know how they were slighted.

gollum 01-14-2021 11:06 AM
Originally Posted by Lockheed (Post 3181441)
exactly how are you suffering?
The 767 is the junior equipment at K4 today and will most likely remain so
The more senior equipment types offer higher pay possibilities - just like every other airline
serious question: how many times in the last couple of years has there been an opportunity for FO to FO bidding other than the initial 777 stand up. The 74 spots have almost always (this latest vacancy being the exception) been filled by new hires and lately the 777 FO slots the same, leaving the only way for an FO to escape the 767 being via upgrade.


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