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Originally Posted by Jack03
(Post 2214219)
Which is exactly why no one cares what you think.
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Jack03,
That was perhaps the most childish, selfish, immature thing I have ever seen on ANY aviation board. I certainly hope you are not a KA pilot and you better hope I never find out who you are, and you better hope you never have to fly with me. Please tell me you were drinking heavily when you posted this............ |
HighFight;
Duty rig; trip rig; VOD, whatever you want to call it, is important because WE come to work to make money. We do not come to work to sit in hotels and pick our noses, ok, ad nauseum and do nothing but wash our clothes and eat the same boring breakfast day in and day out in the same run down Holiday Inn for 16 days. If we then fly a ten hour trip, we expect to be paid for it. For the fifteen days that we sat, we want CREDIT for sitting those days. So, sitting for, say, 4.8 hours a day,X15, then get 10 hours of flight pay = 72 + 10.....= 82 hours of pay, versus a flat 64 hours. Thats some ChaChing! Any other questions? |
Originally Posted by Jack03
(Post 2214219)
Which is exactly why no one cares what you think. *******
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Congrats guys, I hope it's something you can pass. You deserve it.
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Originally Posted by DC8 Driver
(Post 2214341)
Well, from an Atlas guy, (we picketed with you btw) I am very happy for you guys and wish you the best. I hope that when the details of the contract come out, it will be something you can vote in with a solid yes.
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So "rig" is to cargo what min day is to 121, it seems?
Originally Posted by Forty5N
(Post 2214388)
HighFight;
Duty rig; trip rig; VOD, whatever you want to call it, is important because WE come to work to make money. We do not come to work to sit in hotels and pick our noses, ok, ad nauseum and do nothing but wash our clothes and eat the same boring breakfast day in and day out in the same run down Holiday Inn for 16 days. If we then fly a ten hour trip, we expect to be paid for it. For the fifteen days that we sat, we want CREDIT for sitting those days. So, sitting for, say, 4.8 hours a day,X15, then get 10 hours of flight pay = 72 + 10.....= 82 hours of pay, versus a flat 64 hours. Thats some ChaChing! Any other questions? |
Originally Posted by HighFlight
(Post 2214477)
So "rig" is to cargo what min day is to 121, it seems?
But, yes a "rig" guarantees a minimum pay per day and can be calculated a number of different ways (Atlas uses a goofy formula of paying one hour of pay for every 4.95 hours away from base which equals approximately 4.85 hours for a full 24 hour day - it is less for the first and last days of a trip). Ideally, rig or min credit, or whatever your CBA calls it is compared on a daily basis to actual hours flown and min guarantee and the pilot is then paid the greater of those numbers. And K4 folks, congrats! I hope this TA meets and exceeds your personal minimum requirements! Of course, we have no idea of the details, but the outline sounds pretty good! 8 |
Sorry, of course cargo is 121. I was thinking pax vs. boxes. I am used to hearing min day, not rig. But thanks for all the explanations and making it clearer.
And I agree. This TA bodes well for the good folks at K4. Congrats to them!
Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
(Post 2214483)
Uhhh, "cargo" is 121... At least as far as a heavy jet operator like K4 (and others) are concerned.
But, yes a "rig" guarantees a minimum pay per day and can be calculated a number of different ways (Atlas uses a goofy formula of paying one hour of pay for every 4.95 hours away from base which equals approximately 4.85 hours for a full 24 hour day - it is less for the first and last days of a trip). Ideally, rig or min credit, or whatever your CBA calls it is compared on a daily basis to actual hours flown and min guarantee and the pilot is then paid the greater of those numbers. And K4 folks, congrats! I hope this TA meets and exceeds your personal minimum requirements! Of course, we have no idea of the details, but the outline sounds pretty good! 8 |
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