I was on a flight years ago in the 1980s and the controller gave the aircraft I was in a climb. I knew there was traffic in our face and that the trainee controller screwed up; I told the pilots and they verified the climb and the controller said "affirmative", he didn't use the call sign. We were solid IMC and I watched from the jumpseat as the opposite direction traffic flew vertically around 50 feet lower then us. Could I have been more adamant?,yes, but, I was just a guest (controller) and it was the 1980s. Now that was a near miss!
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If the airplane gets bent, and you're in the jumpseat, you'll be hung with the other two.
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Obviously in a serious event you'll be "going for the ride" and will have to lawyer up, but to assume you'll be hung equally for a "Foxtrot Uniform" on an airplane you're not Type Rated on, operated according to Ops Specs you know nothing about while probably not even using a headset is probably a stretch. I of course can accept Paypal for any other free legal advice :D |
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As an ACM, you're required to be available to assist if needed (ie sober). Nowhere in SOP does it designate you as PM #2. |
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As it was said before you will probably get hung a lot easier distracting the crew at a low altitude trying to call go around in an airplane you have no type in while sitting in the jumpseat. |
So, if you're in the jumpseat and you see a vehicle drive onto the runway, you're just gonna let the pilots land on said vehicle because you aren't typed in that airframe? I'm not gonna call a go around from the jumpseat just because the crew is a dot high on glide slope, but if I think they're about to crash and I'm about to die, you better believe I'm gonna call a go around. Ideally, it's dealt with early and you could just speak up to refocus the crew. That being said, 100 feet AGL with a vehicle on the runway isn't the time to be giving out "hints." Bottom line, I'm not going to keep my mouth shut while someone kills me because I didn't feel like it was my place to speak up.
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Need a little common sense in these situations.
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You're not automatically a required crew member because you're in the jumpseat. Even if you're a company employee you may not be working that type. Is there any OpsSpec/GOM/FOM that requires you even paying attention let alone be responsible for anything? |
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