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Lemons 09-11-2017 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2428632)
Cool. Then some Democratic presidential candidate can claim, "We're gonna put those gas and oil rig workers out of work!" :rolleyes: and then lose the election to Eric Trump.

Bernie actually suggested a special tax for "gas guzzlers" and meat.

450knotOffice 09-11-2017 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by hilltopflyer (Post 2428100)
There is probably a reason no one wants to have kids with him.

Lol! Oh brother. Did you not notice the 30 years of marriage comment I made? You have no idea since you don't know me, but go ahead and make ridiculous comments like that about someone you know nothing of. Sheesh. 😏

450knotOffice 09-11-2017 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 2428151)
My kids are adults. Were they ever selfish bleeps, sure, still are sometimes. So are you, I'm sure!

Either way, a human wins over an animal every damn time.

Btw, would you want your wife, parents, siblings or friends killed to spare an animal? If not, you're a hypocrite of the highest order.

A human does not win over an animal every time. There are plenty of soulless murderous human beings I wouldn't rescue over any dog. Would you rescue a person who murdered or raped your child? Would you rescue a person who callously killed your dog because it was fun? Probably not.

To the second question, I love my family, friends, and my own animals over those who are not part of my family. Therefore, of course I would prefer my loved ones rescued over those I do not know - to include animals I don't know. To ask you a similar question, would you not prefer YOUR loved ones to be rescued over unknown strangers? Of course you would. Hypocritical much yourself?

So where were you guys. Oh yea...
Climate change, Tesslas, F-250's, Republicans, Democrats, and a hurricane. Carry on. ;)

CBreezy 09-12-2017 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2428542)
The 97% claim isn't true and has been debunked time and time again.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/05/26/wsj-the-myth-of-the-climate-change-97-what-is-the-origin-of-the-false-belief-that-almost-all-scientists-agree-about-global-warming/

As for the rest of your scaremongering, the us is now oil independent and we produce enough of our own oil that we for the first time are exporting it to other countries.

You could be right. It could be misleading. It doesn't mean, however, that means climate change is a hoax. This article, written by a scientist and former oil man, addresses the possible error in the 97% claim. Still, according to him, it's above 80% and a strong consensus.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2016/12/14/fact-checking-the-97-consensus-on-anthropogenic-climate-change/?c=0&s=trending#8da560713657

tomgoodman 09-12-2017 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2428852)
Some would say that's not the job of government, that we should leave it to market forces to sort out. To that I would say, if it had not been for the United States government, if we'd relied on private industry to take us into space, we still would be looking up at the moon and wondering when, if ever, we'd visit it.

The space program, like the Interstate Highway system and the Manhattan project, was driven by national defense concerns. There is no such support for energy r&d among today's voters, who have other spending priorities. Politicians are afraid to get too far ahead of the public in raising taxes or cutting entitlements. :(

NEDude 09-12-2017 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2428623)
Those sources are not viable today.

Denmark gets over 40% of its power from wind, and has on multiple occasions been able to meet or exceed its daily power needs purely from wind. Not bad for a power source that is "not viable".

And if little old Denmark, with only 5.5 million people, can find the resources to make it a viable source of energy don't try and convince me that the richest country in the world does not have the ability to make it viable.

qball 09-12-2017 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2429089)
Denmark gets over 40% of its power from wind, and has on multiple occasions been able to meet or exceed its daily power needs purely from wind. Not bad for a power source that is "not viable".

And if little old Denmark, with only 5.5 million people, can find the resources to make it a viable source of energy don't try and convince me that the richest country in the world does not have the ability to make it viable.

Wind energy might be viable but it has an enormous footprint for the amount of energy it generates. They have been spreading like a cancer across this country and of course are often put in places where the land is not tillable. They kill untold numbers of birds and bats and are just plain eyesores in some of the last wild places left.

dustrpilot 09-12-2017 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 2429097)
Wind energy might be viable but it has an enormous footprint for the amount of energy it generates. They have been spreading like a cancer across this country and of course are often put in places where the land is not tillable. They kill untold numbers of birds and bats and are just plain eyesores in some of the last wild places left.

They're a pain in the butt on tillable ground too!

Turbosina 09-12-2017 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 2429097)
They kill untold numbers of birds and bats and are just plain eyesores in some of the last wild places left.

And oil refineries, plus the plan to turn the AWNR into a driller's paradise.... Are better how??

UAL T38 Phlyer 09-12-2017 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2428845)
....From Columbus's expedition of 1492 (which was derided and rejected by his native Portugal as an impossible dream)......

Pssst!! Pssst!! (He was Italian; born in Genoa. His expedition was financed by Spain, but he sailed from Portugal.....) ;)

This.



I'll make a not very brave prediction here--petroleum won't be replaced in transportation in this century. Oil has too much of a lead in energy density over any foreseeable electrical source. It's something like 20 times more energy-dense than any electrical power source.

The energy density of jet fuel is 12,000 Wh/kg versus the best current rechargeable battery is about 250 Wh/kg. It will take a major breakthrough or nuclear power to replace oil.

GF
Electric may become a viable form for intra-city transit, and for rail, inter-city.

But air travel? You need energy density, and that seems unlikely to jump 400 orders of magnitude.

Here's an interesting article on the false eco-economy of windmills. It cites a lot of numbers that I have not personally researched to verify, but a quick perusal (with an engineering background) says "plausible and in the ballpark."

I believe the UK "Spectator" is a reputable magazine similar to Esquire.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/...global-energy/

70 years ago, almost no homes had air conditioners, yet almost every home had a solar-powered clothes dryer, and a carbon-free washing machine.

It was a hand-cranked wash tub, and a clothes line.

I wonder how many climate-warrior homemakers would give up their front-loaders and "spring-fresh" fabric softeners to do things the old-fashioned way.


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