Hurricane
 

I'm just curious what your airline is doing with your crews and the hurricane. Frontier has chosen to leave crews there with the promise of "rations" that aren't going to make it.

How are the other airlines handling this?

Cancelling flights.

Went through Denton Tx. about 4 hour ago.
Everts Cargo must have moved their MD80, and a EMB120 up there.

What do you want them to do?

I think spirit moved crew's at the "long" location to the "short" locations (higher ground). I think though it was for selfish reasons to make it easier to get flights completed instead of having crew's stuck at the long location with a moat around them.

I can't speak for the smaller airlines but wrt to my airline when there is a large wx event (hurricane/snow storm) bearing down on a hub they will run ops up to a certain point then get everyone (airplane wise) out of town.

For example: bizzard headed for NYC, wx people say the crap will hit the fan at 8 pm Friday and will snow for 30 hours. The last flights in/ out will be about 5-7 pm Friday. At that time at an airport like lagarbage there may be 1 or 2 planes per airline left on the ground so snow can be easily removed. Basically get everyone away from the wx event then when it's gone send them back in. In the case above by Sunday morning the first flights will start arriving and by the end of the day Sunday or early Monday a regular sked will be restored.

The only down side is that there are many CXd flights so all flights for a few days after will be fuller than full as they clear the backlog of stuck pax.

IMO this method is the lesser of the evils. Many years ago we'd try to run as much as possible thru a wx event. You wind up with airplanes and crew stuck everywhere. Crews with planes but times out. Crews that can work but their plane diverted inbound so no jet available. Crews stuck in whatever hotel. It would take days just to put the sked back together.

Airports Closed
 

FAA closed IAH mid morning Sun 8/27. Reopen planned Noon Mon 8/28.

HOU (Hobby) closed early morning Sun 8/27. Reopen planned 8 am Weds 8/30.

So this happened today...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/27/us/sou...ort/index.html


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I'm curious who told you this lie. I checked and we have zero crews in IAH right now.

This is a serious accusation, and during this period of negotiations, I suggest you remove your claim unless you have evidence to back it up.

You are 100% correct. The FO I talked to is in Austin. Not IAH. My mistake.

NK has crews in IAH

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...68&oe=5A28A3BE



https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...3a&oe=5A2DEAD5

Now that's funny! :D



My only question is why didn't the city authorities have mandatory evacuations? Quite a few cities in the red zone (including parts of Houston) should have been evac'ed.

The RJ be saying- glub,glub,glub...

Both are photo shops.

Google it and you'll find your answer. You're a millennial, you should know that.

No, they're downtown.

I couldn't find an answer, that's why I asked. If they are saying evac kills many ppl like it happened during Katrina, that's because that evac order came late. There was plenty of warning and time for Harvey.

It wasn't Katrina. It was Rita. The flooding didn't kill people during Rita. From what I understand, there were more deaths that occurred on the roads outside of Houston than did by he landfall of the Hurricane itself. People saw what happened to those who stayed in NO during Katrina and over 3.7 Million people evacuated prior to the storm. They sat in a 100 mile gridlock, windows down, and no A/C to conserve gas. Dozens of people died on the road (it was 100 degrees out there) after a horrific bus crash and of heat exhaustion.

Even worse, Rita didn't hit Houston. It missed and weakened.

Maybe your google is broke?:D

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...htmlstory.html
Why didn't Houston evacuate? - CNN

Everyone knows that if it's in the news, it's fake... Except when it isnt. Duh.

I know AND it's not really raining in Houston. 😂

I still don't see a decent reason. You can't just say well last time we tried to Evac, ppl died and the hurricane wasn't that bad! If the govt wants an evac it should be done in an orderly fashion, e.g., have both directions of interstates be changed to one way exits, have LE agencies coordinate timeframes of evac by certain regions/zip codes. Most importantly, the key should be to have evac plans spread out over a period of time so no one feels like they all must blitz at the same time. The deaths before with the bus fire was tragic, but that's a one off event. Running out of gas shouldn't happen if ppl were prepared (who doesn't stock up on food or gas in a high risk area?)

Problem with Harvey is a couple days before it hit, the NWS and even CNN weather were saying the most troubling aspect of this hurricane is then once it makes landfall, the computer models show that it stalls. And that stalling without continuing inland means the storm is going to be remain strong as it drops tremendous amounts of rain, let alone wind damage. If the govt didn't order an evac, this should still have been alarming on an individual level.

Right now they're reporting many deaths with people driving (in control) cars into flooded streets/waters and their cars being swept away. Quite a few deaths like this already, this was preventable.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/28/546721363/why-didn-t-officials-order-the-evacuation-of-houston

It's more complex than you're making it.

Sounds like some state officials wanted an evac, including the governors office, but local officials did not want an evac. The reasons are BS. "We can't handle the physical aspects of an evacuation, and don't want to be blamed for evac deaths. So just stay home and die is better, at least it isn't our fault!"

Bush had his Katrina. Some politicians and city officials wanted Trump to have his Harvey. And to blame storm strength on climate change. Yes, I've already read articles insinuating both. Amazing how far some people will go for their hatred of Trump and his office.

You can't be serious that the mayor did this so he could blame Trump. That's an incredible accusation. If anything, allowing this to happen so Trump can swoop in to take the credit for rebuilding humanizes and bolsters his image.

And yes, this Hurricane's intensity and track can be partially attributed to climate change. I don't have time nor do I want to make the effort to go into the science behind it.

Thanks for showing your political motivation. There is zero proof that Harvey, itself, was influenced by climate change. "Scientists" have cautioned that this cannot be conclusively proven. Their generic warning is as oceans warm, storms will gain greater strength and therefore be powerful heading to land. But this Harvey climate change is pure BS to try and yet again trash Trunp and his office.

In a peer reviewed scientific study, hurricane intensity is directly proportional to climate change. The number of storms reaching major hurricane status will be a larger percentage of storms than in previous decades. There is no correlation of number of storms to climate change.

The path exhibited by this storm is a result of climate change. Peer reviewed scientific studies have indicated that global and regional weather patterns and long wave activity will stagnate as climate change progresses. To a non atmospheric scientist, the highs and ridges that drive the weather stay in place longer causing system stagnation. It's one of the primary reasons this hurricane sat in the same area for a week (unprecedented) and similar to the extreme heat in the Pacific NW, extreme drought in the SE and flooding in California.

And I'm not supporting his decision to not evacuate. I understand his hesitation after the last storm and the complexity of moving 6 million people. I'm saying I find the accusation that he did it do Trump looks bad to be stupid.

First major hurricane to hit the US in almost 12 yrs, and yeah it's climate change :rolleyes:

There is ZERO evidence to support that claim. None. Anyone claiming otherwise is pulling it out of their rear end.

Anytime I read about "peer reviewed scientific studies" my first question for the scientists is what's their primary source of funding/income? Second question is if they receive donations for research, what political affiliation did the money come from?

You do realize that if a Hurricane doesn't hit land, it's still a Hurricane, right? Just because it's the first to hit land is completely irrelevant.

There is zero evidence according to you because you don't read climate or meteorological publications. Keep flying airplanes, you're much better at it. Leave the meteorology to the meteorologists.

And please leave your Breitbart click-bait elsewhere. Real climate scientists aren't being denied funding if they are looking to disprove it. But I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. You're so buried in your echo chamber that nothing I can say will change your opinion and I have better things to do with my time.

#triggered like a typical liberal. All personal attacks, zero provable facts. :rolleyes:

Says the guy who has twice insulted my supposed political affiliation to prove his point.

I'm not triggered. I just have better things to do. Read some real research. I have. And I spent 6 years in college studying it.

As long as you apply this logic uniformly. Especially to climate change dening studies.

And I agree you can't contribute A single storms stregnth to the climate change. A storm is weather, climate is long term and if we see a pattern of these storms then we can say they are caused by the climate changing.

Also, this isn't some anti trump conspiracy. We all know he controls the Dept of defense, which over sees the dispersal of weather controlling chemtrails.

It isn't a single storm. Nor would a strike by a single hurricane cause this level of flooding. The stagnation of weather systems due in part to climate change has caused heavy rain events to sit over swaths of land for abnormally long periods of time. Houston has had 3 x 500 year storms in 3 years. Missouri had 2 record breaking 500 year floods in 18 months. Dating back to the 1800, the highest crest in 2015 was surpassed the 1915 mark by an astounding 5 feet. That record was beaten again in 2017.

Just saw Kingwood,TX on the news... thats a hotbed for United and Expressjet pilots and FA's all these nice homes underwater, completely devestating! Prayers to all you pilots and FA's living in Kingwood

Due in part to climate change you say. And absolutely nothing to do with a high pressure area that prevents a low pressure system from moving further inland. So now high pressure areas are forming because of humans burning fossil fuels and causing global warming.

If you had started flying to Alaska 20 years ago, you would have witnessed the amazing retreat of the glaciers in SE Alaska.

Deny it all you want, but the earth is warming and putting more water in the atmosphere. When that happens, you get bigger, more powerful storms. Harvey and Katrina are no coincidence.

Good thing we cut FEMA's budget to the bone. Those liberal government programs have to go. At least those red caps will help recover the bodies.

The Earth will go through warming and cooling periods, it has in the past and will continue in the future, fact.

I never said what caused it, just that its happening.

That isn't what I said. What makes high pressure areas and ridges and trophs and what makes them move? There is much more to atmospheric Dynamics than the H you see on your surface analysis. Recent research has indicated that AGW is playing a roll in the increase of wave stagnation...like I said earlier. That has contributed to the longer duration extreme heat events and rain events that have lead to historic flooding...to include the hurricane..

Yeah especially when their budget is twice the size it needs to be it has to waste money on things it doesn't need.