There is no proof gw is caused by man.

There is plenty of evidence that the human burning of fossil fuels is having a statistically significant effect on our climate. There is actually little credible evidence disproving it.

What is unknown is how this climate change will impact our future.

All weather is caused primarily due to the unequal heating of earth from the sun. You want add man's impact and fossil fuels to that, knock yourself out. So tell me, what percentage less of fossil fuels would we need to burn less to have stopped Harvey? :confused:

You keep misquoting me. But I can understand your lack of understanding of how weather works. Thanks for the Private Pilot answer to "what makes weather."

Harvey wasn't caused by global warming. Certainly you could make the argument that its quick rise to a category 4 was helped by the fact that the Gulf water temps were between 3 and 7 degrees F above average. I'm not making that argument, though. Harvey would have been a Hurricane even if temperatures were average. The argument, however, is that the long wave pattern, the thing that is the force behind why Highs and lows move and the number of such systems globally, has been experiencing a greater frequency of quasi-stationary events. It is what kept a large Hurricane and subsequent rain event mostly stationary for the better part of a week. It is what caused record flooding last year and the year before in Texas. It is what caused the record flooding in Missouri. It's what caused the dangerous heat wave in Seattle.

People arguing against climate change must REALLY REALLY not like clean air and water. I mean worst case scenario if all the scientists are wrong and you spent all that money investing in cleaner energy, you will be left with cleaner air and water. I mean you can argue all you want about whether or not climate change is man made or not, but what you can't argue is that man has severely effed up this planet in the last hundred years. I mean we have prescription drugs in WILD salmon. It's only going to get worse.

Regardless of what is causing temperature rise, there are folks on the gulf coast who lost everything. Let's put our petty squabbling aside for a bit, and redirect that energy to help those affected by this disaster. My thoughts and prayers are with all those who suffered due to Harvey, especially those in the APC family.

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"I understand weather, other people don't." Then you wonder why your side doesn't get taken seriously. Long wave pattern? I guess we never had stationary high or low fronts in the past until now. You'll counter with we're having stationary fronts more frequently. But there's no evidence to say this Harvey blocked by a high pressure system wouldn't have happened if we had burned less fossils. We had a high pressure system, just by chance and that caused this storm system to stall.

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You act like I'm making up long wave patterns. It's not a new thing. It's what drives weather. I'm not talking about stationary fronts because that's not what we are talking about. And yes, I understand weather not as good as most of the scientists but I understand better than every single non meteorologist pilot. I have degrees in it. It is a complex field of study. When a doctor or an engineer or a pharmacist or a meteorologist says "this is how this works," is your first response, "quit being so arrogant with your knowledge and maybe I'll believe you?" I'm not going to go through fluid Dynamics here so that you can understand. Learning is your responsibility. I've read studies published at multiple universities that indicate quasi-stationary long wave patterns are a direct result of AGW. They have been occurring with greater frequency at a statistically significantly rate and proportional to AGW.

Good find. Thank you, Tom!

Not really. I don't buy AGW with the way it's presented. It's unfortunate but global warming/climate change has become politicized and so it has to be taken in the political context. My first question is, what do you (or a group) stand to gain from getting what they want? Who stands to profit and who stands to lose. That shows who the key players are on both sides.

False dichotomy:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

It's a fact that that the atmospheric particulate count has risen tremendously beyond millions of years of historical norms since the industrial revolution.
Why is this so hard to understand? And why aren't people willing to even attempt to believe that this could be the leading contributor to the other scientifically proven fact that the earth is warming at a higher rate than any previous ice age cycle.
And why are these people always republicans who lash out like little babies and call people snowflakes?
Weird childish behavior

Much like everything else these days, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, but everyone is too busy being outraged to consider another perspective.

The climate changes, always has. What is unclear is how much human activity is contributing to the pace and whether changing human behavior can have any meaningful effect to arrest it.
(Versus say, a Krakatoa-like natural event)

Liberals tend to think they can (and need to) save the planet, conservatives tend to think the planet will save itself. At least until the sun scorches us in 80 billion years.

Whatever your opinion, buy flood insurance. Hope Houston has a speedy recovery. Resume "I know you are, but what am I" if you must.

Saying it is possible is one thing, saying it as fact is another.

Climate change is an engineering problem, yet the left wants to make it a political problem.

I guess if it benefits someone else, its just waste.

It's the man-made we have a problem with and the reason is that it's allowing people like Al gore and Bernie Sanders to pass new taxes and bans on things. It also has opened up a new venue for corporate welfare in the industry of Green. Nobody is saying don't invest we are just saying let the free market handle it.

The data doesn't prove the people are the cause. Either way we shouldn't be required or asked to change a damn thing about our lifestyle.

Spending millions and millions equipment that other agencies already have a surplus of is a waste. The agency obviously has too much money if it's in a use it or lose it spending mode.

So we aren't the cause of particulates? And shouldn't try and change our life style to clean up the earth for generations to come? You got yours huh? And **** anyone else. Copy

do we have proof "particulates" are the cause? No we don't.

Yeah we shouldn't have to change our lifestyle. Sorry not gonna happen, i'm going to continue to eat meat, drive an suv and go on vacation when I want to.

Enough of the Climate Change debating..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I8sJG5FV_k

fast forward a few minutes and listen to the beginning of the presentation...

I think we all know AL Gore and allies are a fraud and that its been admitted that all the data those 97% scientists used were manipulated... lets stop being so easily manipulated

Now this article was about the Hurricane and I know quite a few pilots and Flight attendants lost homes and my prayers are with them

If that's your rationale, I'd start with the DoD 'cause that's how they've operated since the '50s.

Yes. The data does show that the burning of green house gases is, at the least, a part of the climate change. Just because you don't agree with that fact doesn't make it less true.

Wrong it does not. It's a theory and not proven.

You know something Breezy? Arguing with a lemon is like trying to teach a pig to whistle. Its a waste of your time and it irritates the pig.

You don't argue, you just **** post.

I was going to say teaching a 3 year old how an airplane flies but I like yours way better. Haha

Anybody whose been in the military knows the DOD wastes a #^|<?ton of money mostly buying the wrong equipment/supplies at the wrong time for the wrong place. All controlled by a mega D.C. Procurement bureaucracy/congress that's heavily influenced by suppliers.

So you're saying Franklin, Indiana (population 23,000) does not need a 55,000 pound bulletproof MRAP assault vehicle with gun turret and "SHERIFF" emblazoned on the side???:eek:

Stopping a rogue tractor at the feed store might not be possible without it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...bate/10221551/

"Americans should ... be concerned unless they want their main streets patrolled in ways that mirror a war zone," wrote Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., co-author of a USA TODAY article earlier this year. "We recognize that we're not in Kansas anymore, but are MRAPs really needed in small-town America?"

He is probably concerned that the weight of a MRAP might cause the small town to flip over. (Yep, that's the same guy) :p

Remember he was that saved us from the previous occupant of that seat. Can't forget ole' Cynthia McKinney.

Stranded Houston flood victims sure appreciated being rescued by some of those vehicles. They could go through water neither a car nor a SUV could not get through.

If only there was an organization who could be deployed during a crisis that has other uses for it, like fighting a war. Some kind of state sponsored national type guard.

Local police have no business having MRAPs.

Why not???

After Katrina, the search and rescue task was far greater than the National Guard could handle, even with every Hummer in its armory (MRAPs had not yet been developed). We were grateful when local cops got through the flooded streets in surplus military vehicles, handing out MREs and restoring security.
Looters, however, may have felt a microaggression. :p

I say this as a Texan... never underestimate the power of rednecks with boats.:) Do we stock up on MRAPS for black swan events like Katrina? You don't build a church just for Christmas. Oh wait, that's what JetBlue told me about why we're understaffed all summer. Never mind.

If I were a police chief, I would not "stock up on MRAPS"; but neither would I turn down a free one that the military no longer wanted. Rather than scrapping it, why not loan it to the city and recall it if needed in wartime? A natural disaster is not the only situation in which it might be found useful.

Saturday night MRAP races?