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Std Deviation 09-05-2017 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 2425333)
If I were a police chief, I would not "stock up on MRAPS"; but neither would I turn down a free one that the military no longer wanted. Rather than scrapping it, why not loan it to the city and recall it if needed in wartime? A natural disaster is not the only situation in which it might be found useful.

Reminds me of a small police department in Montana that received a donated dog from the Israeli Defense Force (rather than spending 20K on a Belgian Malinois trained from scratch). Dog didn't respond to commands. Officers had to find one of the few Rabbis in Montana to get language training because it turned out the dog only understood Hebrew. True story. Sometimes the free one comes with strings!:D

jsled 09-05-2017 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2423355)
do we have proof "particulates" are the cause? No we don't.

Yeah we shouldn't have to change our lifestyle. Sorry not gonna happen, i'm going to continue to eat meat, drive an suv and go on vacation when I want to.

Yeah. Me too. Especially since I live at 5800ft. I don't have to worry about Hurricanes. :rolleyes:

pause 09-05-2017 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2422417)
You act like I'm making up long wave patterns. It's not a new thing. It's what drives weather. I'm not talking about stationary fronts because that's not what we are talking about. And yes, I understand weather not as good as most of the scientists but I understand better than every single non meteorologist pilot. I have degrees in it. It is a complex field of study. When a doctor or an engineer or a pharmacist or a meteorologist says "this is how this works," is your first response, "quit being so arrogant with your knowledge and maybe I'll believe you?" I'm not going to go through fluid Dynamics here so that you can understand. Learning is your responsibility. I've read studies published at multiple universities that indicate quasi-stationary long wave patterns are a direct result of AGW. They have been occurring with greater frequency at a statistically significantly rate and proportional to AGW.

He went to college. He has two degrees therefore he must be correct. Don't believe everything you read or what the Professors in college tell you. You most likely aren't aware that back in the 70's those "professionals" were talking about an "ice age". I.e. "Global cooling". Indoctrinated. If only the rest of us were as "smart" as you professionally indoctrinated...errr. I mean educated folks.

Mesabah 09-05-2017 10:09 PM

The Russian INMCM4 climate model was the only model that was remotely accurate in predicting current actual temperatures. Funny that this model lacks the CO2 bias of the other models.

http://i68.tinypic.com/9is5ub.png

prex8390 09-06-2017 08:31 AM

My gf who works for American just got a fa wide email telling its Miami FA not leave south Florida or be "out of base" real nice, stay there and maybe get killed so you can go to work for us.

Mover 09-06-2017 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2425060)
If only there was an organization who could be deployed during a crisis that has other uses for it, like fighting a war. Some kind of state sponsored national type guard.

Local police have no business having MRAPs.

Nonsense.

We've used 5-ton mil-surplus vehicles many times to perform high water rescues with our local SO.

BeechedJet 09-06-2017 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2425841)
My gf who works for American just got a fa wide email telling its Miami FA not leave south Florida or be "out of base" real nice, stay there and maybe get killed so you can go to work for us.

Woah woah woah, this thread is for politics only. Read the title.

jcountry 09-06-2017 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 2421691)
As long as you apply this logic uniformly. Especially to climate change dening studies.

And I agree you can't contribute A single storms stregnth to the climate change. A storm is weather, climate is long term and if we see a pattern of these storms then we can say they are caused by the climate changing.

Also, this isn't some anti trump conspiracy. We all know he controls the Dept of defense, which over sees the dispersal of weather controlling chemtrails.


I got ahold of a bad burrito and dropped some serious unauthorized chemtrails off at the airport men's room a few moons ago.

Mesabah 09-06-2017 01:30 PM

The airlines should not have marked fares up, 600% in some cases, for people trying to get out of the storm path.

terminal 09-06-2017 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2426082)
The airlines should not have marked fares up, 600% in some cases, for people trying to get out of the storm path.

Clearly you don't have a clue how airline pricing works. I'm guessing you got this from the Twitter lady who screwed up and was comparing a Delta economy ticket with a mixed cabin first class ticket?

jcountry 09-06-2017 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2426082)
The airlines should not have marked fares up, 600% in some cases, for people trying to get out of the storm path.

A seat on a plane which is only 20% booked a month out is a different product from the last available seat the day before a flight. Regardless of weather.

Mesabah 09-06-2017 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by terminal (Post 2426114)
Clearly you don't have a clue how airline pricing works. I'm guessing you got this from the Twitter lady who screwed up and was comparing a Delta economy ticket with a mixed cabin first class ticket?

Nope, Jetblue capped fares, then the other airlines were forced to respond. Now Jetblue looks like the good guy, while the others get bad press. Doesn't matter if the story is true or not to the public.

bay982 09-06-2017 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by pause (Post 2425653)
He went to college. He has two degrees therefore he must be correct. Don't believe everything you read or what the Professors in college tell you. You most likely aren't aware that back in the 70's those "professionals" were talking about an "ice age". I.e. "Global cooling". Indoctrinated. If only the rest of us were as "smart" as you professionally indoctrinated...errr. I mean educated folks.

You are incorrect. Abridged version: "There was never scientific consensus that the Earth was cooling. That is a myth."

For those who want more information, source:
The Myth of the Global Cooling Consensus | RealClearScience

Cycle Pilot 09-06-2017 05:06 PM

I'm going to try and steer this thread away from political and global warming debate... I can't believe it, but here's a positive article written about an airline! In the USA Today, also.

Delta Flight Beats Hurricane Irma

todd1200 09-06-2017 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot (Post 2426203)
I'm going to try and steer this thread away from political and global warming debate... I can't believe it, but here's a positive article written about an airline! In the USA Today, also.

Delta Flight Beats Hurricane Irma

Wonder how the ride was? ;)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJDl7JwXUAAusTx?format=jpg

CBreezy 09-06-2017 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 2426222)

Surely it was higher than constant light chop.

Sam York 09-07-2017 07:08 AM

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hvydvr 09-07-2017 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 2425333)
If I were a police chief, I would not "stock up on MRAPS"; but neither would I turn down a free one that the military no longer wanted. Rather than scrapping it, why not loan it to the city and recall it if needed in wartime? A natural disaster is not the only situation in which it might be found useful.

What a lot of these towns are forgetting is the log tail to support these things. The MRAP may be pretty but now you have to train people to maintain it and then source spare parts. Probably not worth the effort.

On second thought, with the number of meth labs in middle America maybe we should be giving them M-1s

Lemons 09-07-2017 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 2426506)
What a lot of these towns are forgetting is the log tail to support these things. The MRAP may be pretty but now you have to train people to maintain it and then source spare parts. Probably not worth the effort.

On second thought, with the number of meth labs in middle America maybe we should be giving them M-1s

Meth isn't a big thing anymore, It's heroin. Most, these junkies all end up od'ing so it works itself out.

WutFace 09-07-2017 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2426821)
Meth isn't a big thing anymore, It's heroin. Most, these junkies all end up od'ing so it works itself out.

How in the hell are you not banned yet?

Lemons 09-07-2017 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by WutFace (Post 2426856)
How in the hell are you not banned yet?

why would I be banned?

SourGrapes 09-07-2017 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2426291)
Surely it was higher than constant light chop.

delta had Kenny G onboard to keep people calm-----DELTA SMOOTH ---------- the funny thing is nobody cared that he wasn't wearing his seatbelt

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/edYmLi5Sz_A/maxresdefault.jpg

deadseal 09-07-2017 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2426898)
why would I be banned?

Maybe because you so blithely advocate for the death of other human beings like a child. It's interesting how folks probably think of themselves as good people yet can so easily joke about ending the life of another human.

jcountry 09-07-2017 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2426905)
delta had Kenny G onboard to keep people calm-----DELTA SMOOTH ---------- the funny thing is nobody cared that he wasn't wearing his seatbelt

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/edYmLi5Sz_A/maxresdefault.jpg

No one cared-

Because their damn ears were bleeding!

Lemons 09-07-2017 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by deadseal (Post 2426934)
Maybe because you so blithely advocate for the death of other human beings like a child. It's interesting how folks probably think of themselves as good people yet can so easily joke about ending the life of another human.

Wouldn't say I advocate, I just don't have much empathy.

terminal 09-08-2017 12:53 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2426142)
Nope, Jetblue capped fares, then the other airlines were forced to respond. Now Jetblue looks like the good guy, while the others get bad press. Doesn't matter if the story is true or not to the public.

That's a different story than complaining about the airlines jacking up prices when it is far from the truth.

Xtreme87 09-08-2017 02:56 AM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2426976)
Wouldn't say I advocate, I just don't have much empathy.

That would make you a psychopath. Glad you admitted it. Thanks.

LNL76 09-08-2017 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2427017)
That would make you a psychopath. Glad you admitted it. Thanks.

"Psychopath?" Insensitive, perhaps, but not a psychopath.

Mesabah 09-08-2017 03:41 AM


Originally Posted by terminal (Post 2427006)
That's a different story than complaining about the airlines jacking up prices when it is far from the truth.

No it's not, when an evacuation is ordered, if fares aren't capped, the algorithm will jack up prices based on the sudden extreme demand.

ShyGuy 09-08-2017 06:12 AM

In a true capitalistic environment, there shouldn't be limits on price gouging. The value of anything is always dependent on location, time, and circumstance. The price for water today in Montana can be $1. But in southern Florida today because of excessively high demand, the price can be $12.

Same with air fares, even without hurricanes. Those who buy months in advance pay a certain lower amount, because the value of that seat months in advance is low. Now that same seat today is worth a LOT because to someone, this seat today is extremely valuable today and must travel. 6 months ago the fare for this same seat is $100. Today, last minute fare for same-day travel is $600.

Lemons 09-08-2017 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2427017)
That would make you a psychopath. Glad you admitted it. Thanks.

Thank your doctor.

CBreezy 09-08-2017 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2427088)
In a true capitalistic environment, there shouldn't be limits on price gouging. The value of anything is always dependent on location, time, and circumstance. The price for water today in Montana can be $1. But in southern Florida today because of excessively high demand, the price can be $12.

Same with air fares, even without hurricanes. Those who buy months in advance pay a certain lower amount, because the value of that seat months in advance is low. Now that same seat today is worth a LOT because to someone, this seat today is extremely valuable today and must travel. 6 months ago the fare for this same seat is $100. Today, last minute fare for same-day travel is $600.

Except in your true capitalism argument, people who can't afford the extreme air fare or $90 bottles of water die. You shouldn't get to live because you have more money.

Xtreme87 09-08-2017 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2427088)
In a true capitalistic environment, there shouldn't be limits on price gouging. The value of anything is always dependent on location, time, and circumstance. The price for water today in Montana can be $1. But in southern Florida today because of excessively high demand, the price can be $12.

Same with air fares, even without hurricanes. Those who buy months in advance pay a certain lower amount, because the value of that seat months in advance is low. Now that same seat today is worth a LOT because to someone, this seat today is extremely valuable today and must travel. 6 months ago the fare for this same seat is $100. Today, last minute fare for same-day travel is $600.

...And that is the problem with today's world. The reason why everybody treats each other like a piece of garbage, mass shootings, etc... In your world, everything is just money and numbers, there is no humanity in this capitalistic system. Capitalism is great and all, but when you take all sense of humanity from people, you take the only thing that sets people apart from animals.

Lemons 09-08-2017 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2427187)
...And that is the problem with today's world. The reason why everybody treats each other like a piece of garbage, mass shootings, etc... In your world, everything is just money and numbers, there is no humanity in this capitalistic system. Capitalism is great and all, but when you take all sense of humanity from people, you take the only thing that sets people apart from animals.

There are billions of people in the world, hundreds of thousands die daily from disease, poverty and war. It's life and you can't change it. Life is to short to worry about other people.

There is no such thing as humanity, that is a social construct so is supposed "good" and "evil".

Mesabah 09-08-2017 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2427088)
In a true capitalistic environment, there shouldn't be limits on price gouging. The value of anything is always dependent on location, time, and circumstance. The price for water today in Montana can be $1. But in southern Florida today because of excessively high demand, the price can be $12.

Same with air fares, even without hurricanes. Those who buy months in advance pay a certain lower amount, because the value of that seat months in advance is low. Now that same seat today is worth a LOT because to someone, this seat today is extremely valuable today and must travel. 6 months ago the fare for this same seat is $100. Today, last minute fare for same-day travel is $600.

You can still get super saver fares same day short notice. For example, AA is charging $68 for LAX-ORD daily right now, it's that price months from now too.

Furthermore, price caps are capitalism, the airlines were charging $600+, till Jetblue came in and offered $99 for all seats. There is nothing more capitalistic than undercutting competition.

todd1200 09-08-2017 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2427227)
There are billions of people in the world, hundreds of thousands die daily from disease, poverty and war. It's life and you can't change it. Life is to short to worry about other people.

There is no such thing as humanity, that is a social construct so is supposed "good" and "evil".

Somebody's been reading their Nietzsche; although he sounded like a sociopath sometimes too :D

dwightkschrute 09-08-2017 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2427227)
There are billions of people in the world, hundreds of thousands die daily from disease, poverty and war. It's life and you can't change it. Life is to short to worry about other people.

There is no such thing as humanity, that is a social construct so is supposed "good" and "evil".

Except when you have the ability to help or not screw over your fellow man, you do the right thing. When things go downhill quickly, all that separates us from animals is the ability to be empathetic and altruistic. You don't alienate others simply because they don't have the means to pay exorbitant prices in their time of need. It's the same reason you wouldn't leave a handicapped person behind.

Life is indeed short but what makes for the warmest and most fulfilling stories? People helping people (or animals).

dogpilot 09-08-2017 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2426976)
Wouldn't say I advocate, I just don't have much empathy.

An often misused term, empathy, which is easier because you would have experienced a similar event to the suffering party. Sympathy, on the other hand, requires imagining oneself in the suffering party's shoes and having feelings of compassion and hope they work it out. Justice comes to all I believe, hopefully in your suffering hour someone will empathize or sympathize with you, or will you suffer alone to gain strength to the Id.

ShyGuy 09-08-2017 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2427140)
Except in your true capitalism argument, people who can't afford the extreme air fare or $90 bottles of water die. You shouldn't get to live because you have more money.

Plenty of people die on this planet (sadly and unfortunately) because they don't have access to clean water or can't afford clean water. Other things like cancer might be survivable if you can afford the treatments and get it done in time. Someone who can't afford that will not live. I don't think anyone denies that you have a better chance of making it in life and/or living longer if you have the money or have more money than another.


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2427187)
...And that is the problem with today's world. The reason why everybody treats each other like a piece of garbage, mass shootings, etc... In your world, everything is just money and numbers, there is no humanity in this capitalistic system. Capitalism is great and all, but when you take all sense of humanity from people, you take the only thing that sets people apart from animals.

Are you really implying the reason we aren't animals is because we have humanity? The reason we're like this is because of our first world status, high literacy rate, people are educated, laws, law enforcement, and (mostly) taught to obey rules and be somewhat respectful of people's own business. Obviously not always, but to a degree people do.

Look at this evacuation pic:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...4902986455.jpg

People are trying to run away from potential death. Yet, look how orderly it is. No one is driving on the shoulder. No one in the grass. If this was a 3rd world country, you'd have mass choas with cars everywhere. In fact, in a 3rd world country, the opposite side would be forced off as cars would drive away in that direction too.

Humanity is a social construct, so some people have it and others don't. Still, business is going to be business for many people.


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2427241)
You can still get super saver fares same day short notice. For example, AA is charging $68 for LAX-ORD daily right now, it's that price months from now too.

Only because Frontier is offering $50 on that same route.


Furthermore, price caps are capitalism, the airlines were charging $600+, till Jetblue came in and offered $99 for all seats. There is nothing more capitalistic than undercutting competition.
Except when the ME3 do it :cool:


Originally Posted by dwightkschrute (Post 2427315)
Except when you have the ability to help or not screw over your fellow man, you do the right thing. When things go downhill quickly, all that separates us from animals is the ability to be empathetic and altruistic. You don't alienate others simply because they don't have the means to pay exorbitant prices in their time of need. It's the same reason you wouldn't leave a handicapped person behind.

Life is indeed short but what makes for the warmest and most fulfilling stories? People helping people (or animals).

I like how "animals" are written off as if they are barbaric and unworthy. Humans are worse than animals, that's just fact. No other animal is and has been as destructive to this planet as humans. No species kills just for sport/fun/crime like humans have. No animal has slaughtered millions over the years their own version of what sky fairy they believe in. No animal has started wars with other animals over oil, money, or foreign alliances. Humans are much worse, and we are an over-rated species.

PRS Guitars 09-08-2017 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2427140)
Except in your true capitalism argument, people who can't afford the extreme air fare or $90 bottles of water die. You shouldn't get to live because you have more money.

Price Gouging can serve a purpose, it prevents people from buying excessive supplies (and hoarding them). Think about it, you walk into buy water or batteries, if the prices are "normal" you'll probably buy more than you need just in case, but if the prices are very high, you'll just buy the minimum, which will leave supplies for other people.

I gaurentee there will be people blaming the airlines for having all of their flights sold out, even though they increased the flights dramatically.


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