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jcountry 01-28-2018 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2513810)
So what Federal law allows the FAA the right to circumvent a company’s privacy agreement with its customers? Law enforcement may have access but I’d bet (hope) a warrant would be required.

Not really.

There is no ‘right to privacy.’ People often confuse the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure (4th amendment) with some imagined right to privacy. ‘Expectation of privacy’ is an entirely different concept, and doesn’t rise to the level of being a right.

There are many ways around FB’s privacy settings. Law enforcement can easily get around them with a warrant, but there are many other ways. Anyone of your FB ‘friends’ can copy and repost anything, for example.

Another little-known gem is that clicking ‘I Agree’ when you install a game or an app resets all kinds of privacy settings, and all you info is now up for sale to any 3rd party willing to cough up a buck or two.

jcountry 01-28-2018 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2513678)
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...-years-ago.asp

This is why many have moved back in...
The cost of housing has outpaced that of regular inflation by nearly 50% while wages have barely kept pace with inflation. A dollar today has significantly less buying power than 20 years ago, especially in regard to housing. Those are facts. How can you blame that on millennials?

I won’t be even get started on the cost of education (over 300% increases) and the fact previous generations have made the bachelor degree a new high school diploma for many entry-level jobs. Before you cast stones at an ENTIRE generation, please take the time to understand some history.

(I’m not, however, defending college “safe-spaces”, that’s just ridiculous.)

Of course I don’t mean to mischaracterize the whole generation, but many of the ones I know are just usesless as hell. Try getting any of them to mow a yard or paint a room.....

And come on, mommy and daddy paid for college-every cent.....

We all had it rough when we were starting out, but our expectations fit reality better. These snowflakes all want brand new cars and they want a closet full of 10k worth of clothes plus the latest 1k phone with contract.....

Every single millennial I know has had a cellphone less than a year old since they were in the 5th grade (or earlier,) and mommy has paid it plus the contract. Plus the new car. Every single one I know. (None of them has ever paid one cent toward their communication/internet surfing fun.)

There’s your house payment.

GogglesPisano 01-28-2018 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2513826)
Not really.

There is no ‘right to privacy.’ People often confuse the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure (4th amendment) with some imagined right to privacy. ‘Expectation of privacy’ is an entirely different concept, and doesn’t rise to the level of being a right.

There are many ways around FB’s privacy settings. Law enforcement can easily get around them with a warrant, but there are many other ways. Anyone of your FB ‘friends’ can copy and repost anything, for example.

Another little-known gem is that clicking ‘I Agree’ when you install a game or an app resets all kinds of privacy settings, and all you info is now up for sale to any 3rd party willing to cough up a buck or two.

I never mentioned anything about rights. I mentioned an agreement between two parties (FB and its user.) And I agree, only a fool would allow an app access to all of your FB data.

A previous poster suggested the FAA could access your private FB data. That's tinfoil hat-level paranoia.

jcountry 01-28-2018 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2513851)
I never mentioned anything about rights. I mentioned an agreement between two parties (FB and its user.) And I agree, only a fool would allow an app access to all of your FB data.

A previous poster suggested the FAA could access your private FB data. That's tinfoil hat-level paranoia.

I’m not sure about the FAA, but I know someone who is a high level cyber security expert. A senior engineer in the field.

He said anything on FB or in an email should be considered public. Said you shouldn’t put anything there you wouldn’t want on a sign in your front yard. He’s the kind of guy who would know

I think FB sells a lot of stuff to shady 3rd parties. Ever notice how fast a terrorism suspect’s entire profile hits the news? That happens without a warrant.... And FB makes coin.

As far as the FAA, they do track down everything you have done for 48 to 72 hours prior to an accident or serious incident. Not sure how that works with social media, but they do look at credit card transactions, video surveillance and hotel room key history. That is very real.

SactisbonesBJ 01-28-2018 12:45 PM

Ah dont worry, Delta will still hire you with whatever crap you have on facebook. They like confederate flags.

Oh and dont tell anyone but they can only see what's on the National Driver Registry, so no need to self confess those little things that are on your record.

PotatoChip 01-28-2018 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2513835)
Of course I don’t mean to mischaracterize the whole generation, but many of the ones I know are just usesless as hell. Try getting any of them to mow a yard or paint a room.....

And come on, mommy and daddy paid for college-every cent.....

We all had it rough when we were starting out, but our expectations fit reality better. These snowflakes all want brand new cars and they want a closet full of 10k worth of clothes plus the latest 1k phone with contract.....

Every single millennial I know has had a cellphone less than a year old since they were in the 5th grade (or earlier,) and mommy has paid it plus the contract. Plus the new car. Every single one I know. (None of them has ever paid one cent toward their communication/internet surfing fun.)

There’s your house payment.

Wow. Well, the parents you know seem to be the problem, not the kids. Read what you wrote. The PARENTS. How can you yell about millennials over and over when clearly it’s parents who created the ones you seem to have so much vitriol for??

You should maybe broaden your friends. I know plenty of hard-working men and women in their 20s and 30s who are in heavy college debt and trying to make a living. I know others who were smart enough to get into a trade and make more money than I do with no debt.

SonicFlyer 01-28-2018 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2513678)
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...-years-ago.asp

This is why many have moved back in...
The cost of housing has outpaced that of regular inflation by nearly 50% while wages have barely kept pace with inflation. A dollar today has significantly less buying power than 20 years ago, especially in regard to housing. Those are facts. How can you blame that on millennials?

I won’t be even get started on the cost of education (over 300% increases) and the fact previous generations have made the bachelor degree a new high school diploma for many entry-level jobs. Before you cast stones at an ENTIRE generation, please take the time to understand some history.

(I’m not, however, defending college “safe-spaces”, that’s just ridiculous.)

Exactly.... the bad economics of the last (lost) decade was the fault of previous generations.


And the thievery is just now getting started too.

In the not-so-distant future the baby-boomer generation will begin to wholesale rob the younger generations to pay for their retirement. A true Ponzi scheme.

Any wonder millennials feel like they can't get ahead?

SonicFlyer 01-28-2018 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2513835)
Of course I don’t mean to mischaracterize the whole generation, but many of the ones I know are just usesless as hell. Try getting any of them to mow a yard or paint a room.....

And come on, mommy and daddy paid for college-every cent.....

We all had it rough when we were starting out, but our expectations fit reality better. These snowflakes all want brand new cars and they want a closet full of 10k worth of clothes plus the latest 1k phone with contract.....

Every single millennial I know has had a cellphone less than a year old since they were in the 5th grade (or earlier,) and mommy has paid it plus the contract. Plus the new car. Every single one I know. (None of them has ever paid one cent toward their communication/internet surfing fun.)

There’s your house payment.

Actually the government is paying for most people's colleges these days, it is why it is so expensive. Government socializes the cost of education which causes prices to be raised.


Also, millenials have been told since they were in kindergarten "go to college and get a degree so that you don't have to work at McDonalds".... and then when many of them got out of college, McDonalds was the only job available to them.

Mesabah 01-28-2018 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2513528)
I agree that THE MAN has it in for us, but who would ever be hired if this were true? I cleaned mine up to the best of my ability before my interview, but if FB and big companies were in on some grand scheme then they'd have found so much garbage on me I wouldn't be hired by Wal-Mart let alone a major airline.

Pretty much everybody has done stuff (and to a lesser extent then posted it on social media) they'd rather not discuss during a job interview, it's called being human. While I agree SM is pretty much a complete waste of life and we'd be significantly better off without it, I don't think today's applicants need to be too worried about their private posts if for no other reason that most people are in the same boat.

Be responsible, look at your SM from the perspective of a potential employer. Clean it up and privatize, and most applicants can move on to worry about more important things.

It's for research only, they can't take action against you with that information. Even the NSA was allowing private companies to query private individuals in their database. Until the current administration put a stop to it, the airline could have pulled years worth of cell phone transcripts, telemetry data, emails, messages, etc. Totally unconstitutional, but it happened.

jcountry 01-28-2018 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2513892)
Wow. Well, the parents you know seem to be the problem, not the kids. Read what you wrote. The PARENTS. How can you yell about millennials over and over when clearly it’s parents who created the ones you seem to have so much vitriol for??

You should maybe broaden your friends. I know plenty of hard-working men and women in their 20s and 30s who are in heavy college debt and trying to make a living. I know others who were smart enough to get into a trade and make more money than I do with no debt.

The parents are a major part of the issue..... but a lot of kids are playing mommy and daddy like a fiddle.

I can’t imagine ever shaking that much $$$$ our of my parents. I mean good God.

I’m glad you know some good ones. I can’t think of many. I totally agree about the trades. A guy with an HVAC cert would way out earn his peers quickly....


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