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Old 07-19-2018, 11:24 AM
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The leaps that artificial intelligence is gaining with 25+ years has me nervous about my career at a passenger carrier. If I were flying freight I would be doubly so.
FedEx just bought a plethora of airplanes designed in the 1980s and 70s. They still operate planes built in the 70s and retired the 727 only 5 years ago. It’s the pax carriers that are jizzing all over themselves trying to get the 787, A220 or whatever the latest is. I’d be more nervous if I was a passenger pilot than the cargo guys.
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Old 07-19-2018, 01:01 PM
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FedEx just bought a plethora of airplanes designed in the 1980s and 70s. They still operate planes built in the 70s and retired the 727 only 5 years ago. It’s the pax carriers that are jizzing all over themselves trying to get the 787, A220 or whatever the latest is. I’d be more nervous if I was a passenger pilot than the cargo guys.
I am new to 121 pax flying and you underestimate the fear the general public has about airplanes. I have already seen people get off the airplane for the slightest little maintenance or weather issue. You are flat out crazy to think pax carries will be automated before cargo. CRAZY.
But I get it, you have a lot of day flying and your commute is the easiest and Memphis isnt that hot in the summer. Got it.
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Old 07-19-2018, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AwkwardTurtle View Post
FedEx just bought a plethora of airplanes designed in the 1980s and 70s. They still operate planes built in the 70s and retired the 727 only 5 years ago. It’s the pax carriers that are jizzing all over themselves trying to get the 787, A220 or whatever the latest is. I’d be more nervous if I was a passenger pilot than the cargo guys.
Not a very good point.
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:17 PM
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The A220 and 787 A350 all require at least 2 pilots. What’s the difference from FedEx buying a plethora of new airplanes? They all need two pilots.
Originally Posted by AwkwardTurtle View Post
FedEx just bought a plethora of airplanes designed in the 1980s and 70s. They still operate planes built in the 70s and retired the 727 only 5 years ago. It’s the pax carriers that are jizzing all over themselves trying to get the 787, A220 or whatever the latest is. I’d be more nervous if I was a passenger pilot than the cargo guys.
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Old 07-19-2018, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AwkwardTurtle View Post
FedEx just bought a plethora of airplanes designed in the 1980s and 70s. They still operate planes built in the 70s and retired the 727 only 5 years ago. It’s the pax carriers that are jizzing all over themselves trying to get the 787, A220 or whatever the latest is. I’d be more nervous if I was a passenger pilot than the cargo guys.
Was that the company that took an airliner certified for a 3 member crew and invested as much as it took to make it a 2 man crew? That one right?
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Old 07-19-2018, 06:06 PM
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Was that the company that took an airliner certified for a 3 member crew and invested as much as it took to make it a 2 man crew? That one right?


So you’re saying FedEx paved the way for two-man cockpits? You’re unwittingly supporting his point.


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Old 07-19-2018, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sherpster View Post
I am new to 121 pax flying and you underestimate the fear the general public has about airplanes. I have already seen people get off the airplane for the slightest little maintenance or weather issue. You are flat out crazy to think pax carries will be automated before cargo. CRAZY.
But I get it, you have a lot of day flying and your commute is the easiest and Memphis isnt that hot in the summer. Got it.
Well, did you see that his information says that he joined APC in Jan 2018, and is a 737 FO. And you think he is making his points because he's a FedEx pilot? Yeah, we have all those 737's on property......
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Old 07-19-2018, 11:08 PM
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So you’re saying FedEx paved the way for two-man cockpits? You’re unwittingly supporting his point.


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I am simply offering a counter to the claim that buying older airplanes leads to better long term pilot job longevity then new ones. Apparently u are lack the basic intellect to understand that.
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I think it's extremely relevant to see how much hiring each has done in, say, the past five years.

One could see a much different career for their last ~20 years if there are 4000 pilots ahead of them that are mostly younger. Might get to XX% in whatever amount of time, and then plateau at one carrier vs. continue moving up at another.
Exactly. I personally know a bunch of under 30 year olds that have been picked up by delta. They seem to love the 24-28 year old demographic. I believe as a 33 year old, I would never break into the top 1000 on the delta seniority list. they are no longer my top choice.
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Originally Posted by AwkwardTurtle View Post
FedEx just bought a plethora of airplanes designed in the 1980s and 70s. They still operate planes built in the 70s and retired the 727 only 5 years ago. It’s the pax carriers that are jizzing all over themselves trying to get the 787, A220 or whatever the latest is. I’d be more nervous if I was a passenger pilot than the cargo guys.
They don't upgrade to new airplanes because WHO CARES! If it looks old in the back, WHO CARES! If the cockpit is old...if its still safe to fly, why spend the money on it? Buy new planes with only 0/1 pilots? That DOES make $$ sense. And again, your customer does NOT care, just get my box to me on time. Box burned up in fireball crash by drone? Well at least we had insurance.
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