Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2734510)

No, I agree with lowandslow. You are personally financially benefitting (voucher) from taking the jumpseat. If one refuses the voucher and still takes the jumpseat, fine. But one cannot use the jumpseat for personal gain.

Originally Posted by Cargocapt (Post 2732467)

Help me solve an argument.

Crew member is scheduled positive space home after trip, company paid ticket. Duty day limitations requires travel on following day at end of trip. Crew stuck at hotel till following day. Earlier available flight home last day of trip after duty day ends. Company can't assign crew to fly home that day, it exceeds duty day.

Can crew jump, without using paid ticket on earlier flight (provided it does not affect other deadhead crew). Crew has dutied off and is now on personal time. Plenty of early flights home instead of another night in a hotel for new duty day.

What should happen to positive space ticket. Should company get refund for ticket or is this a no no.

Hypothetical creates a situation where company purchase ticket then tells crew to take any flight they want home. Obviously company would buy worst flight available to encourage pilots to chose other options. Then if paid ticket not used company can get ticket price refunded. Rinse and repeat. This is obviously a no no, but why.

Vague for a reason.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2734546)

Just ask to be released where you’re at. No explanations needed. It’s a simple yes or no.

Now, if your company is intentionally booking crappy scheduled flights to tacitly encourage pilots to JS home so they can cancel tickets and get refunds then this is a huge red flag. Notify your JS committee. The JS is not supposed to be for what should otherwise be company supplied travel

Originally Posted by Cargocapt (Post 2734437)

Whoah.....this escalated quickly.

I'll shed a little more light on this. Vouchers were not involved here.

Kid who works for a typical ****ty regional was sitting with me and a few others before a flight. He was trying to jump home for the holidays to be with his wife and kids. It wasn't looking good for him. He was asking for advice on how to get home for the holidays.

In the course of explaining his situation, he stated that he had positive space that would not get him home in time for Christmas morning. As a result he was trying to get home earlier.

He had stupidly told the company of his plan to jump seat home and as a result the company demanded a refund of his positive space. Apparently this is standard practice at the ****ty regional. He was concerned if they did he would not only not get home by jumping but with the loss of his positive space might not get home for the holiday at all.

My ears perked up at the demand by the ****ty regional to cancel his positive space since he was jumping home early even before the kid knew he was on a flight home. Thus the kid travels on another airline for free while the ****ty regional airline doesn't have to pay to get him home.

I do not recall if it was the same carrier that he was positive space and trying to jump seat.

Either way sounds very much inappropriate use of jump privileges on behalf of the company. My flight left before this kid found a flight home but I was there to overhear a call from his company demanding to know if he had found a flight so they could cancel his ticket.

Originally Posted by Cargocapt (Post 2734566)

Again NOT my company. Read my post above

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2734510)

No, I agree with lowandslow. You are personally financially benefitting (voucher) from taking the jumpseat. If one refuses the voucher and still takes the jumpseat, fine. But one cannot use the jumpseat for personal gain.

Originally Posted by ImperialxRat (Post 2735111)

Wrong. I am personally financially benefiting from giving up my positive space ticket because the flight is oversold and they're offering vouchers.


Also, I would argue that all jumpseat travel is for personal gain, since we don't jumpseat to help out the company or whatever, we jumpseat to get ourselves places we want to go (commuting, vacation, etc)