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Originally Posted by CAirBear
(Post 2888424)
By my ticket, what I mean is, I don’t even have it. I go thru KCM and go to my gate where the agent prints it out. I pretty much never even look at it outside of the seat number.
Will this affect a jumpseater, no. Will this affect a non-Rev or DH, you betcha! |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2888414)
If the ticket you have says SSSS on it you are no longer eligible to use KCM. It’s people ignoring the rules that have caused the recent KCM changes.
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2888583)
Are you just pulling this out of your a$$? Got a source on that? I walk off one plane I operated to another plane to DH all the time. Agent prints the boarding pass. Your saying that I wasn’t eligible to use KCM three legs ago?
Easy, haus. I think he’s saying if you get SSSS you can’t leave the secured area and re-enter via KCM. The whole point of that code is you must be searched. GP |
Originally Posted by gollum
(Post 2888492)
Will this affect a jumpseater, no. Will this affect a non-Rev or DH, you betcha!
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 2888667)
Well, it effected me as a jumpseat eligible commuter. I will say I don’t remember if they were actually giving me the 1W or a seat in the back when I got the quad S.
I was under the impression it can show up on jumpseat passes/printed cards, too. All the more reason to check-in as early as possible. GP |
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2888397)
That’s complete BS! I feel like a talk with someone in charge would be in order.
In airports, you're a subject not a citizen. Remember this, shut up, get in line. You're being well paid to give up your rights so suck it up. |
And before anyone gets bent, case law supports the concept that a traveler in some situations has voluntarily relinquished certain rights.
4th amendment rights - voluntarily waived the instant you set foot on airport property. 5th amendment right to liberty (meaning in this case the right to travel freely) - voluntarily waived as well. Lots of interpretations, here is a good one outlining where the basic rights go when you enter into a contract that waives them. https://famguardian.org/Subjects/Fre...htToTravel.htm One applicable section (regarding highway travel but relevant to air travel as well): Here is what the courts have said about this: "...For while a citizen has the right to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, that right does not extend to the use of the highways...as a place for private gain. For the latter purpose, no person has a vested right to use the highways of this state, but it is a privilege...which the (state) may grant or withhold at its discretion..." [State v. Johnson, 75 Mont. 240, 243 P. 1073 (1926)] There are many court cases that confirm and point out the difference between the right of the citizen to travel and a government privilege and there are numerous other court decisions that spell out the jurisdiction issue in these two distinctly different activities. However, because of space restrictions, we will leave it to officers to research it further for themselves. (2) The second group of citizens that is legally under the jurisdiction of the state are those citizens who have voluntarily and knowingly waived their right to travel unregulated and unrestricted by requesting placement under such jurisdiction through the acquisition of a state driver's license, vehicle registration, mandatory insurance, etc. (In other words, by contract.) We should remember what makes this legal and not a violation of the common law right to travel is that they knowingly volunteer by contract to waive their rights. If they were forced, coerced or unknowingly placed under the state's powers, the courts have said it is a clear violation of their rights. |
Originally Posted by flensr
(Post 2888676)
In airports, you're a subject not a citizen. Remember this, shut up, get in line. You're being well paid to give up your rights so suck it up.
It's an absolutely BS policy, and if we all just 'shut up and got in line' when they changed the rule a few weeks back about no more using KCM in plain clothes, we wouldn't have gotten that privilege back so quickly. The idea that a crew member who just finished flying/operating an aircraft all day and ends with a DH or even a JS home has to exit security and be rescreened is absolutely asinine. |
Originally Posted by AYLflyer
(Post 2888686)
yeah, no thanks. You don't have to raise your voice or act like a tough guy with the agent, but 'shut up, get in line' is not something many of us are just going to put up with.
It's an absolutely BS policy, and if we all just 'shut up and got in line' when they changed the rule a few weeks back about no more using KCM in plain clothes, we wouldn't have gotten that privilege back so quickly. The idea that a crew member who just finished flying/operating an aircraft all day and ends with a DH or even a JS home has to exit security and be rescreened is absolutely asinine. |
Originally Posted by flensr
(Post 2888676)
Oh no. That's a good way to end up in detention, jail, or at the very least end up with KCM privileges revoked. All it takes is a single TSA employee to say that you obstructed them in doing their job (merely asking for a supervisor can trigger this claim) and you're effed.
In airports, you're a subject not a citizen. Remember this, shut up, get in line. You're being well paid to give up your rights so suck it up. |
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