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Old 10-07-2019, 09:22 AM   #11  
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Heck yea it's winning, lots of new leverage to encourage Europe to allow fair trade on American agriculture products, which they refuse to budge on.
Also proves Trump's campaign "rhetoric" is real, and WTO agrees.

US can use tariffs to fund export bank and sell Boeings to Singapore. Ultimately we have no protections if Europe wants to give Singapore planes for free to compete against Delta.

Besides import export bank increases production volume lowering unit cost which saves airlines money.
Delta complained because we now know they aren't planning on buying Boeing. They don't mind unit production cost going up, since they're not shopping for them, and prefer a subsidized Airbus, then campaign to duck the tariff.
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US can use tariffs to fund export bank and sell Boeings to Singapore. Ultimately we have no protections if Europe wants to give Singapore planes for free to compete against Delta.

The consumer, not the producer, pays for the tariffs; its just another word for tax. I'd rather keep my money in my pocket than help contribute to Boeing's stock purchase program.

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Heck yea it's winning, lots of new leverage to encourage Europe to allow fair trade on American agriculture products, which they refuse to budge on.
Also proves Trump's campaign "rhetoric" is real, and WTO agrees.

US can use tariffs to fund export bank and sell Boeings to Singapore. Ultimately we have no protections if Europe wants to give Singapore planes for free to compete against Delta.

Besides import export bank increases production volume lowering unit cost which saves airlines money.
Delta complained because we now know they aren't planning on buying Boeing. They don't mind unit production cost going up, since they're not shopping for them, and prefer a subsidized Airbus, then campaign to duck the tariff.
They truly are best of business.
Europe give free Airbuses to Singapore so they can compete with Delta. LOL! Thatís not just funny, thatís downright delusional. Iím not surprised, itís to be expected in Trumpís America. On both sides though really.
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The consumer, not the producer, pays for the tariffs; its just another word for tax. I'd rather keep my money in my pocket than help contribute to Boeing's stock purchase program.

https://www.ft.com/content/f3e640ee-...2-799a3a8cf37b
Yes I know, Delta pays taraffis to US for buying a subsidized plane instead of Boeing. US uses tariff tax to fund bank of Boeing and sell American made planes. Everyone wins except the company who gets caught buying subsidized planes. Starting to look like a pattern after C series.
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Europe give free Airbuses to Singapore so they can compete with Delta. LOL! Thatís not just funny, thatís downright delusional. Iím not surprised, itís to be expected in Trumpís America. On both sides though really.
The other poster was suggesting Airbus will continue to sell subsidized planes to Singapore even after the US puts a stop or tariff on that practice. You must not have read the whole thread, and are taking that line out of context.
I really don't know what you think is to be expected.
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Yes I know, Delta pays taraffis to US for buying a subsidized plane instead of Boeing. US uses tariff tax to fund bank of Boeing and sell American made planes. Everyone wins except the company who gets caught buying subsidized planes. Starting to look like a pattern after C series.
Yes it does look like a pattern...
The tarrifs are on a range of consumer products 10% on planes and 25% on things like Olive oil, cheese etc...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nat...s-airbus%3famp
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The other poster was suggesting Airbus will continue to sell subsidized planes to Singapore even after the US puts a stop or tariff on that practice. You must not have read the whole thread, and are taking that line out of context.
I really don't know what you think is to be expected.
Maybe if Boeing designed an airplane that didn't have its batteries catch on fire mid-flight...or really, just designed an airplane instead of putting makeup on a 60 year old design, more people would buy their airplanes. Nah. We'll just sneak in a bunch of patchwork technology so it can be certified, use 3rd world coders fresh out of college, not tell anyone about it and then get surprised when they start flying into the dirt. That'll sell.
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Maybe if Boeing designed an airplane that didn't have its batteries catch on fire mid-flight...or really, just designed an airplane instead of putting makeup on a 60 year old design, more people would buy their airplanes. Nah. We'll just sneak in a bunch of patchwork technology so it can be certified, use 3rd world coders fresh out of college, not tell anyone about it and then get surprised when they start flying into the dirt. That'll sell.
Or Delta can pay an un-subsidized price for an Airbus. I'am not loyal to Boeing, just want Europe to quit screwing over America. Like I said earlier I really hope they give Airbus a pass and use leverage to enter Europe's agricultural market.
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Or Delta can pay an un-subsidized price for an Airbus. I'am not loyal to Boeing, just want Europe to quit screwing over America. Like I said earlier I really hope they give Airbus a pass and use leverage to enter Europe's agricultural market.
All is fair in love and war. How much did Boeing subsidize the 787 and 777 when they were first released? How much does the US government overpay for tankers and fighter aircraft to keep Boeing afloat? It is in our best interest to keep Boeing afloat so we do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/business/global/01trade.html
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