Latest [Furlough] Numbers
 

Over 12,500 pilots across the US have been issued furlough notices.

WARN notices:

• United 3900 pilots
• Delta 2500 pilots
• American 2500 pilots
• Piedmont: 130 pilots
• Allegiant 275 pilots
• Spirit ~630 pilots
• Frontier 500 pilots
• Republic Airways 933 pilots 400 downgrades closing IAH and MCI crew bases
• PSA 600 pilots closing TYS and ORF
• Hawaiian ~175 pilots
• Envoy 350 pilots
• GoJet 200 pilots

Closures

• ExpressJet winding down to close by 2021
• Trans States Airlines ceased operations permanently April 1st 2020
• Compass Airlines ceased operations permanently April 5th 2020
• Ravn Alaska Filed for bankruptcy and laid off all employees April 5th 2020

Hawaiian is 226 pilot WARN notices, about 25% of the seniority list.

Just curious... what date of hire does that go back to at each of the majors?

Best of luck to everyone during these rough times.

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United’s official WARN number is still 2250, unless they mail another 1650 today. I don’t work there so I wouldn’t really know.

I think PSA is up to 750. Also AWAC sent out a good chunk, I think ~350. Delta’s exact number was 2558 if you want to be specific

also heard every employee at GoJet is getting/ got a WARN notice

Spirit 806

Guess Hulas just wants to take his ball and go home.

Spirit is 806.

My initial guess in April was ~10,000. Let's hope the mitigations put in place keep it under that number. By any analysis this is an absolute tragedy.

UAL issued 2250 WARN, but no furlough notices yet. Also indicated that furloughs might go as high as 3900. More next year if it gets worse.
i think it’s important to use proper terminology to avoid confusion. As of today, UAL furlough notices are at zero. I know that may be a technicality to some, but WARN notices do not equate furloughs due to mitigation being worked on etc.

this is correct, original post is not.

What date of hire do the furloughs go back to at the big 3?

WARN notices at DL go back to DEC 2016 hires. No actual furlough notices have gone out

For UA (and this is just what I can remember seeing, don’t work there) the 2250 number would go back to ~ March 2016 hires and the 3900 number would include everyone hired since the UAL/CAL merger (again no actual furlough notices have gone out)

Furlough Tracker?
 

Should we start a thread to keep track of the furloughs at airlines or is that bad taste? It's for information purposes.

Delta-1941 furloughs, all go out Oct 1 with DOH going back to July 2017

*this could change but is where thing stand right now

2850 At United

and 1600 at AA

So it's time to update this now that they've become official.

We should definitely keep track, it's great info for future job seekers. Allegiant is at 100 for Oct. 1st Oct 2019 hire date.

1,605 at AA if we want to be accurate.

Plus 500+ at AA that will not get furloughed but receive no paycheck? I can’t remember the details of the weak as$ LOA.

What DOH is 2850 at United?

To the best of my knowledge, 0 at Alaska, jetBlue, Southwest & Spirit.

Yet.


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Excellent point....

May 2015.
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Hence the thread “latest” furlough numbers.

Zero-Time Lines = Zero Pay except for training, staying current and open time. Then you get 20 hours at the end of it in May.

All airlines would love to run their reserves like that.

I’ll predict Alaska furloughs before year’s end, their incentive line and early out package while good was based on a far more robust recovery than what is taking place. I’ll bet it it’ll wind up being in the 30% range, so 1000 or so when it’s all said and done.

UAL, with 21%-ish furlough is leading the big three, all of whom have large exposure with international flying which 1) is not coming back anywhere nearly as quickly as domestic and 2) involves many very expensive capital assets parked on the ramp.

So how does AS, with domestic route structure and equipment, and a large leisure-travel emphasis get to 33% furloughs?

NK just this week did some LOAs and announced no pilot furloughs, that's in the context of the latest industry projections.

I suspect at this point everyone who can afford to do so are waiting to see how a vaccine plays out, because vaccines are coming Q1 or maybe late Q4.

Alaska put out to the employees what they were over staffed by in each department, the pilot number was 1000.

Presumably that's right now, not summer or Q4 2021.

If mid/late 2021 starts looking real bad, then all bets are off for sure.

But I think anyone who can actually afford to, will wait and see how vaccines play out. Vaccine deployment will *probably* mark a sharp upturn in demand and the broader economy. Any domestic carrier who cuts 1/3 of their pilots is likely to get caught with their pants down next spring/summer... and SWA will be there to pick up what you left on the table.

That's the hidden danger of allowing modifications to guarantee as a furlough mitigation measure. It is often ignored (or accepted as a given) but it is one of the biggest benefits in any contract. Without it we are just like any other hourly worker.

as someone in the bottom half of the list I have a tough time with it. The unionist in me believes that if pilots are getting furloughed there should be shared sacrifice throughout the seniority list.

It doesn't seem right that someone should be losing their job and everyone else just goes on as if nothing happened. Whether that sacrifice is a lower guarantee, or an embargo on open time... just SOMETHING to share the pain a little bit.

My fear at this airline in particular is that there would be a furlough and the rest of the pilot group would happily fly extra to pick up the slack, negating the need for the airline to recall for even longer.


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They didn't award all EILs. Before we go that route, I hope they award the EILs to those who wanted it. Or maybe even do another bid for EOs, REILs, and EILs.

There's no right answer, and opinions will vary with seniority. Some ALV/guarantee reduction is a reasonable compromise but at some point it doesn't just make sense... where does it end? Eliminate all benefits and 15 hour/month guarantee/ALC to avoid all furloughs?

Also, the lower the ALV, the less efficient it is for the company, considering training and benefits overhead.

No flipping way! AS recovery is very near expectations, future bookings are better then expected.