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I hear they are actually using some Virgin America pilots/check airmen...
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Originally Posted by GravellyPointer
(Post 172336)
Straight from the 'peachey' website page:
" First Officer Location: CMHDepartment: Operations Job description: **Minimum Qualifications 2500 total time in fixed wing aircraft PIC/SIC. 500 turbine ATP 121/135 experience **Current Competitive experience 5000 TT 1500 turbine PIC in airplanes 20,000 pounds or greater MTOW. 121 experience Interviews conducted in CMH. Indoc in CMH for 8 days. Per diem paid during this training. A319 training is 5 week course in Miami. Salary begins once training is complete. Hotel and $50 per diem per day paid. Starting salary of 30k/yr. SIC Position will also offer 1500 Stock options. Vesting period is 4 years Upgrade time is estimated to be between 6-12 months. Current PIC starting salary is 65k/yr with 4800 Stock options Within 2007, once revenue service has begun, the pay may convert to a segment pay structure. Depending on hours flown the ability to earn over 30k/yr will be available. Pay will be based on trips/hours flown. Medical benefits paid available at a 70/30 Skybus/Employee cost sharing. Dental and vision coverage also available. Employee is eligible to participate in benefit coverage the first day of employment or training. Skybus actually pays your premium 100% until your salary begins. Crew base is CMH. Trips are scheduled to be out and backs. Relocation to Columbus is encouraged to provide you with a better quality of life. Within 30 days of first revenue flight we hope to have industry standard reciprocal jump seat privileges. Other Requirements: Recency will be a significant consideration. Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate. 20/20 corrected vision. Required to show up on first day of work with a laptop computer with wireless internet connectivity and capable of reading a memory stick and CD-ROM. Working knowledge in MS Office Suite, Acrobat Reader, and browser usage. Ability to read, write, and speak English coupled with effective communication skills. Ability to have Fun with Guests, while showing the highest degree of Honor and Respect; emphasizing Safety at all times; exhibiting a sense of Ownership in every situation while being Cost-Focused when making any and all business decisions. Legally authorized to work in the USA. Must be able to obtain valid US Passport prior to start date, if requested. Need to pass a 10 year security background check and a drug test. Willing to think outside the box to find a way to say “YES” to the Guest. Neat and professional appearance. Excellent leadership and entrepreneurial skills. " |
I like how they say "the ability to make over $30k will be available" like it's an industry leading ultra high wage. /sarcasm
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Everybody QUIT WHINING about 30K per year copilots. Most of you here have set the standard by accepting 20K per year CRJ seats.
You have openly set this standard while most of the people you graduated from the universitys with have started at 40 to 70K in other career fields. And they didnt have flight school costs/debt. If I were managing Skybus I might be inclined to offer the same that they are. |
Due to the cyclical nature of the airline industry pilot pay has been significantly reduced as of late. Regionals as well as mainline pilots are feeling the effects. Mainline has relaxed scope and reduced pay 30-40% now flying the same aircraft for significantly less. Regionals have incredible low starting wages due to mainline furloughs and stagnant growth post 911. Regional salaries are market dictated. Personally I will never fly for sky buss or va unless the wages are industry standard.
The real problem here is too many pilots. We dropped the ball by not controlling the supply of qualified pilots. Until supply is controlled this will continue. There will always be pilots willing to undercut you. Even de727ups will have his job outsourced some day. |
Originally Posted by IronWalt
(Post 176190)
Everybody QUIT WHINING about 30K per year copilots. Most of you here have set the standard by accepting 20K per year CRJ seats.
You have openly set this standard while most of the people you graduated from the universitys with have started at 40 to 70K in other career fields. And they didnt have flight school costs/debt. If I were managing Skybus I might be inclined to offer the same that they are. Any company that is not willing to pay during training speaks volumes as to what the place will be like to work for. |
At least most regionals pay you during training. 30k is a lot less than most 2nd year FO's at regionals make.
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As a skywest second year regional fo, I made 60k last year. flying 50-70 seats.
A skybuss a319 holds aprox. 150 seats. Do the math, well below industry standard. |
"It should be ok to whine about $65,000 a year captain pay then"
No it's not ok. It is better to focus on the LACK of a real pilots union that should be educating the younger guys on why they should not undercut the others and diminish the profession. I have friends in the medical and dental community who keep me informed on what starting salarys are like when they come out of residency. Can you say 225,000 a year for a Pediatric Dentist. And that is with a FOUR DAY WORK WEEK. How about the starting OB GYN at 165,000. And that one can top out at about 250,000. Or lets change gears and talk about the 4 year engineering school grad who starts at EDS for 75,000 a year. And these people do not live in airports or hotels away from the family. But many of you want to pimp your skills to SkyBitch for 30 and 65 a year. Well go for it. But not me. |
Originally Posted by IronWalt
(Post 176337)
Or lets change gears and talk about the 4 year engineering school grad who starts at EDS for 75,000 a year.
Of course maybe I'm just a sucker. That's why I'm quitting to go fly airplanes. |
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