Why won’t the faa let us have ambien or something similar? Those were approved in the Air Force after a ground trial.
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Originally Posted by bababouey
(Post 3261861)
Why won’t the faa let us have ambien or something similar? Those were approved in the Air Force after a ground trial.
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Originally Posted by bababouey
(Post 3261861)
Why won’t the faa let us have ambien or something similar? Those were approved in the Air Force after a ground trial.
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Originally Posted by Cyio
(Post 3261921)
It’s the FAA, they still think facial hair will be a problem
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Originally Posted by Forgotmywallet
(Post 3254260)
Great book that has several paragraphs on airline pilots. Discusses melatonin as well.
One of the best books on sleep I’ve read. Author is a professor of neuroscience at Berkeley. I did weekly redeyes for B6 for four straight years. https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Sleep-.../dp/1501144324 If the FAA really did “follow the science “, Part 117 duty time rules would have went a whole lot further. Can’t help coming away from reading that book and thinking “this job is inherently very, very unhealthy “ You’ll never avoid the worst long term effects, but a book like this gives some strategies to mitigate them somewhat. |
You could always watch Netflix. I mean those outside of Radar environment at least. Keeps me up.
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I saw the documentary with Denzel Washington in it and it showed him using some product I never heard of before but it definitely managed to wake him up. It might be worth trying.
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Here are some tips that don’t seem to have been mentioned yet:
1. Use a sleep tracker that records napping. Apple Watch plus the Auto Sleep App are the only combo that I’ve found that does naps. Actively manage your sleep stats like you’d manage your portfolio. 2. Research says that you can only shift your circadian rhythm ~1.5hrs/day. You can’t shift your body to a redeye schedule the day prior, you have to start days prior. When I worked nights, I shifted my sleep schedule to something resembling a swing shift so that I could keep a foot in the day for when I was off and a foot in the nights for when I was working. I wasn’t perfectly rested for either but was functional for both without having to shift back and forth. If you’re only doing 1-2 redeyes at a time it’s probably better to keep yourself on a normal sleep schedule and just power through the night flights. 3. The FAA has a list of sleep aids on their website and the amount of time required after consuming them before you can fly. Sonata has a 6hr expiration and works way better than melatonin but not as well as Ambien. Take Sonata to fall asleep initially and then take melatonin when you wake up to use the restroom so that you can go back to sleep. 4. Use an eye mask and ear plugs to stay asleep longer during the day. This gets me anywhere from an extra 30 minutes to an extra hour or two per day. 5. Don’t eat or exercise within a few hours of going to bed otherwise you won’t go to bed. 6. As someone else recommended, read the book, “Why We Sleep”. Being rested on a redeye schedule is a job unto itself. If you do 100% of everything right per the book you’ll still at best only be ~80% rested. Being rested is a battle of inches, actually 30 minute increments. Each technique in the book will only net you an extra 15-30 minutes of sleep per day but those small chunks add up to a significant amount of extra sleep. 7. It’s easy to mistake fatigue for low blood sugar. Try eating before your try caffeine to avoid sleep problems. 8. 101 level is being rested for work. 201 level is being rested for when you get off of work so that you can work to live rather than live to work. Good luck! |
Originally Posted by phrogfella
(Post 3267765)
2. Research says that you can only shift your circadian rhythm ~1.5hrs/day. You can’t shift your body to a redeye schedule the day prior, you have to start days prior. When I worked nights, I shifted my sleep schedule to something resembling a swing shift so that I could keep a foot in the day for when I was off and a foot in the nights for when I was working. I wasn’t perfectly rested for either but was functional for both without having to shift back and forth. If you’re only doing 1-2 redeyes at a time it’s probably better to keep yourself on a normal sleep schedule and just power through the night flights.
With a family I can't live my life on anything but day shift. If I was single, I'd probably just do the vampire thing (at FDX/UPS), and live in manhattan where there's stuff do 24/7.
Originally Posted by phrogfella
(Post 3267765)
4. Use an eye mask and ear plugs to stay asleep longer during the day. This gets me anywhere from an extra 30 minutes to an extra hour or two per day.
Originally Posted by phrogfella
(Post 3267765)
5. Don’t eat or exercise within a few hours of going to bed otherwise you won’t go to bed.
Originally Posted by phrogfella
(Post 3267765)
101 level is being rested for work. 201 level is being rested for when you get off of work so that you can work to live rather than live to work.
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I can’t do melatonin as I get a horrible sleep and it leaves me checked out.
Lights on, nobody home kinda thing. Multiple 3-5 hrs sleep sessions or naps. Sometimes just lay in a dark room and rest. I can get into this semi vegetative state halfway sleep. |
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