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Old 06-05-2022 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike
Not if you have so little skill and ability that basic stuff like airspeed control are beyond your ability without automation. I flew a full approach with stick shaker/clacker and ground prox warnings in a 737…in the weather. At the end of a long etops flight with no other options. I by no means am at all a top gun. Just used basic flying skills and all was well….I agree that the 737 Max is a joke. It in no way is a competitor to the A321NEO. The 737 all variants require someone on the flight deck with good basic flying skill or the airplane is unsafe. Period…..Boeings philosophy has always been to let the customer worry about the skill or lack there of on the flight deck. Millions cheaper to have human ECAM than to design and engineer it into the airplane.
I flew a F50 turboprop from the 80s. It had cancel buttons for most if not all flight deck warnings. Maybe B can add some more buttons to the overhead if they are to cheap to fix the real problem.
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Old 06-05-2022 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AJ311
How bout I just always leave it on your side.
That'd be my response too haha. I don't fly the max, but it can't be displayed on both sides at the same time? Seems dumb.
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Old 06-05-2022 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Market forces made Boeing use MCAS in a way it wasn't designed for
market forces made Boeing design MCAS to work off of only one AOA sensor cause that’s what market forces be doin nowadays

how did you even type that?
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Old 06-05-2022 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
market forces made Boeing design MCAS to work off of only one AOA sensor cause that’s what market forces be doin nowadays

how did you even type that?
Uhh, yeah, that was my point, they used MCAS on the Pegasus (B767 tanker). But it took the input of both AOAs, and had a comparator warning. Because of the required extra training for a warning like that, and a penalty clause in the max sales contract with SWA for extra training, B decided to turn it into a single source system. And although it was intended to solve a problem during flight in the corner of the envelope at FL200, they made it about 5 times faster when they figured they could also use it for the aerodynamic problems caused by the bigger engines, placed further forward, during the take off and approach phase. And to make sure, they removed any mention of it from the manual.

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