Delta 1113 Filing
11-02-2005, 12:15 PM
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Delta 1113 Filing
Well the 1113 has been filed. If Delta doesn't liquidate, this could be a homerun for regional pilots and a further loss of about 2500 mainline jobs. Part of the 1113 filing is for an additional 200 78 seat aircraft. Looks like mainline could go from 10,500 pilots in Nov 01 to 6,400 today to 4,000 after delivery of these aircraft. Here's a copy of the DALPA Chairman's letter to the pilots.
November 2, 2005
Dear Fellow Pilot,
Yesterday Delta management followed through with their threat to file an 1113 motion to reject the pilot contract. Despite statements to the contrary, it is clear they never had any intention of meaningfully engaging in a negotiation process they themselves endorsed.
Discussions on an interim agreement to prevent an 1113 filing were authorized by the MEC on the 19th of October. The first meeting took place Friday the 21st. Early the next week, I ordered our negotiators home after it appeared that management's team had no interest in reaching an interim agreement. Last Friday afternoon I met with Gerald Grinstein to discuss the future of these discussions and to reaffirm that we were committed to building a bridge towards a long term agreement. He affirmed to me that he, too, believed in that process and we agreed to get the teams back together on Monday.
Monday evening management's team presented a proposal that contained virtually no movement and also what amounted to an ultimatum - accept the terms by midnight or an 1113 would be filed the next day. Your negotiating committee rightly refused to meet the terms.
The 1113 filing is a clear declaration that management has failed. Unwilling to achieve a mutually agreeable solution through negotiations, their 1113 filing amounts to nothing less than an attempt to bully us into compliance. Management is letting their own unyielding and unreasonable demands dictate a path toward confrontation and further failure.
Faced with this management onslaught our only choice is self defense. We must defend the concept of the pilot working agreement itself. All legal means will be considered. In preparation for that I have authorized the reestablishment of the Strike Preparedness Committee and asked Captain Mike Donatelli to return and lead it. Management must know that we intend to vigorously defend our contract, our careers, and our livelihoods.
Your MEC will be meeting soon to determine how to proceed. ALPA financial experts and our bankruptcy counsel will be on hand throughout this process. Changes may happen quickly as we are operating under a compressed time frame. You may have heard of the "51 day clock" in an 1113. However, it could be shorter than 51 days. You will start receiving more information on that process shortly. It will also be available on the pilot website.
Despite the filing, we will continue to work to convince management to reach a settlement instead of imposing their terms on us - the so called "cram down" approach. However, if we cannot come to an agreement within the allowed time frame, the Court may authorize the rejection of our contract, permitting management to impose upon the pilot group the terms and conditions of their Section 1113(c) proposal.
Our goal remains to work for a profitable airline with a long-term future that will provide all Delta pilots with a stable, healthy career. For all of us who want to continue to fly, we will come closer to that goal through a negotiated resolution that preserves the framework of our contract than we will by allowing management to reject the contract and impose terms and conditions.
The Delta pilot voice is strong and clear, and we hear it. Emotions are running high as evidenced by e-mails, phone calls and lounge visits. Management has left us no choice but to defend ourselves against this bullying attack. All resources and legal opportunities will be pursued in the attempt to affect the most positive outcome for our pilot group and our airline. Your input and participation remains critically important.
We will keep you informed every step of the way.
Fraternally,
Captain Lee Moak
November 2, 2005
Dear Fellow Pilot,
Yesterday Delta management followed through with their threat to file an 1113 motion to reject the pilot contract. Despite statements to the contrary, it is clear they never had any intention of meaningfully engaging in a negotiation process they themselves endorsed.
Discussions on an interim agreement to prevent an 1113 filing were authorized by the MEC on the 19th of October. The first meeting took place Friday the 21st. Early the next week, I ordered our negotiators home after it appeared that management's team had no interest in reaching an interim agreement. Last Friday afternoon I met with Gerald Grinstein to discuss the future of these discussions and to reaffirm that we were committed to building a bridge towards a long term agreement. He affirmed to me that he, too, believed in that process and we agreed to get the teams back together on Monday.
Monday evening management's team presented a proposal that contained virtually no movement and also what amounted to an ultimatum - accept the terms by midnight or an 1113 would be filed the next day. Your negotiating committee rightly refused to meet the terms.
The 1113 filing is a clear declaration that management has failed. Unwilling to achieve a mutually agreeable solution through negotiations, their 1113 filing amounts to nothing less than an attempt to bully us into compliance. Management is letting their own unyielding and unreasonable demands dictate a path toward confrontation and further failure.
Faced with this management onslaught our only choice is self defense. We must defend the concept of the pilot working agreement itself. All legal means will be considered. In preparation for that I have authorized the reestablishment of the Strike Preparedness Committee and asked Captain Mike Donatelli to return and lead it. Management must know that we intend to vigorously defend our contract, our careers, and our livelihoods.
Your MEC will be meeting soon to determine how to proceed. ALPA financial experts and our bankruptcy counsel will be on hand throughout this process. Changes may happen quickly as we are operating under a compressed time frame. You may have heard of the "51 day clock" in an 1113. However, it could be shorter than 51 days. You will start receiving more information on that process shortly. It will also be available on the pilot website.
Despite the filing, we will continue to work to convince management to reach a settlement instead of imposing their terms on us - the so called "cram down" approach. However, if we cannot come to an agreement within the allowed time frame, the Court may authorize the rejection of our contract, permitting management to impose upon the pilot group the terms and conditions of their Section 1113(c) proposal.
Our goal remains to work for a profitable airline with a long-term future that will provide all Delta pilots with a stable, healthy career. For all of us who want to continue to fly, we will come closer to that goal through a negotiated resolution that preserves the framework of our contract than we will by allowing management to reject the contract and impose terms and conditions.
The Delta pilot voice is strong and clear, and we hear it. Emotions are running high as evidenced by e-mails, phone calls and lounge visits. Management has left us no choice but to defend ourselves against this bullying attack. All resources and legal opportunities will be pursued in the attempt to affect the most positive outcome for our pilot group and our airline. Your input and participation remains critically important.
We will keep you informed every step of the way.
Fraternally,
Captain Lee Moak
11-02-2005, 01:35 PM
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Hi,
Sorry to hear about this. I am just a CFI building time and really still have alot to learn about how industry works, but would ALPA consider a total work off and crimple if not kill the airline. As sad as that is but, wouldn't that prove a very big point to companies like CAL SWA not to keep taking pay and benefits away from the union or they could be looking for jobs themselves? Just my two cents. This really sucks for DAL guys. I know a few DAL pilots.
Sorry to hear about this. I am just a CFI building time and really still have alot to learn about how industry works, but would ALPA consider a total work off and crimple if not kill the airline. As sad as that is but, wouldn't that prove a very big point to companies like CAL SWA not to keep taking pay and benefits away from the union or they could be looking for jobs themselves? Just my two cents. This really sucks for DAL guys. I know a few DAL pilots.
11-02-2005, 02:29 PM
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A strike at Delta not off the table. View this article.
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/news...tent=b1102111A
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/news...tent=b1102111A
11-06-2005, 04:04 AM
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This is not your father's Delta anymore. Most of the guys that worked for the old DAL have retired. (2500 retirements in the last few years.) The first B-scaler hired is now #230 on our seniority list. Of the senior 229 guys, a signifigant portion come from either Western or Pan Am. In short, there is not a lot of love for mother Delta anymore.
The pay and work rule changes they are looking for are causing many guys to examine their options. In the case of many F/Os, there are plenty of careers with which they can earn a comparable living. These guys a likely to vote no.
In my case (767 capt, age 47, seniority about 1000), I would vote in favor of a strike. First of all, it's hard to imagine 110, 200, or 325 million dollars per year is the difference between Delta suviving and thriving. While I am willing to make some concessions, the company has far overreached. I'm willing to call their bluff.
Over the last several years, I've put away a considerable amount of money, and am now willing to leave aviation, and try my hand at a career where I succeed or fail based on my own efforts. The money aspect has become much less important. I'm tired of being at the mercy of a carpetbagger MBA who shows up at the front door with a bunch of bright ideas.
The pay and work rule changes they are looking for are causing many guys to examine their options. In the case of many F/Os, there are plenty of careers with which they can earn a comparable living. These guys a likely to vote no.
In my case (767 capt, age 47, seniority about 1000), I would vote in favor of a strike. First of all, it's hard to imagine 110, 200, or 325 million dollars per year is the difference between Delta suviving and thriving. While I am willing to make some concessions, the company has far overreached. I'm willing to call their bluff.
Over the last several years, I've put away a considerable amount of money, and am now willing to leave aviation, and try my hand at a career where I succeed or fail based on my own efforts. The money aspect has become much less important. I'm tired of being at the mercy of a carpetbagger MBA who shows up at the front door with a bunch of bright ideas.
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