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GearAlarm 05-09-2023 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3634496)
I too prefer the 2008 style of unregulated catastrophe. The weak and poor get what they deserve, amirite?

The regulations put in place have been ignored by this administration. Every bank is back stopped.

bay982 05-09-2023 09:16 PM

I like it.

I’m tired of apologizing to pax for preventable poor performance, it’s embarrassing. Also, the regulations as proposed seem very fair. AND this is a NPRM, so an actual reg is easily many months away. There’s plenty of time for management to fix ops to prevent gross delays. Doesn’t seem like a tall order the week after everyone reported very strong Q1 demand.

Selfishly, it would quite possibly make my life better, I’m also sick of hours long delays, reroutes, and minimum overnights.

Seems to me that airline execs have made the implicit decision over the last year to not really care about customer satisfaction, because hey, where are they gonna go in this seat constrained environment? I know you guys care deeply about safety, competence, and being on-time. Wouldn’t it be great If management cared about the quality of their product too? Would be nice to have pride in my employer.

Grumpyaviator 05-10-2023 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by bay982 (Post 3634716)
I like it.

I’m tired of apologizing to pax for preventable poor performance, it’s embarrassing. Also, the regulations as proposed seem very fair. AND this is a NPRM, so an actual reg is easily many months away. There’s plenty of time for management to fix ops to prevent gross delays. Doesn’t seem like a tall order the week after everyone reported very strong Q1 demand.

Selfishly, it would quite possibly make my life better, I’m also sick of hours long delays, reroutes, and minimum overnights.

Seems to me that airline execs have made the implicit decision over the last year to not really care about customer satisfaction, because hey, where are they gonna go in this seat constrained environment? I know you guys care deeply about safety, competence, and being on-time. Wouldn’t it be great If management cared about the quality of their product too? Would be nice to have pride in my employer.

These regulations are nothing more than an attempt to find something that appeals to voters because they’ve failed at everything else. This will be a big backfire also with lots of loopholes for airlines.

Gspeed 05-10-2023 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by Rhdicjkwso (Post 3634654)
We all agree there needs to be regulations that’s not what we are talking about. Needless and excessive regulations on the other hand….

Again, irony.

Do you know how much MORE money our companies could pocket if they didn’t have to deal with all of these excessive regulations? 10 hours minimum rest? 1500 hours to get an ATP? Forced retirement at 65? The government should butt out and let the industry set the bar. I’m sure it will all be okey-dokey. :rolleyes:




Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3634748)
These regulations are nothing more than an attempt to find something that appeals to voters because they’ve failed at everything else. This will be a big backfire also with lots of loopholes for airlines.

Username checks out.

highfarfast 05-10-2023 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3634757)
Again, irony.

Do you know how much MORE money our companies could pocket if they didn’t have to deal with all of these excessive regulations? 10 hours minimum rest? 1500 hours to get an ATP? Forced retirement at 65? The government should butt out and let the industry set the bar. I’m sure it will all be okey-dokey. :rolleyes:

So you’re saying it has to be either ALL regulations are good or NO regulations are good. There is no middle ground.

I see.

Gspeed 05-10-2023 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3634769)
So you’re saying it has to be either ALL regulations are good or NO regulations are good. There is no middle ground.

I see.

No, I'm making fun of the people who appear to believe that. Keep up.

highfarfast 05-10-2023 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3634774)
No, I'm making fun of the people who appear to believe that. Keep up.

I guess I failed to see anyone here that appeared to believe that.

Red Forman 05-10-2023 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3634644)
Not at all, my friend. A lack of guardrails (regulations) helped to create the 2008 meltdown. Implying that regulations are inherently bad, a misguided right wing talking point, is dumb. My friend.

Yeah, regulating banks and forcing them to give mortgages to people who couldn’t afford it was a huge success!

Smokey23 05-10-2023 08:59 AM

As others have said, there is room for some sensible regulation on this topic, but dollars to doughnuts this administration will majorly overreach. No one in DC ever seems to mention that one big reason for increased flight cancellations is the Tarmac Delay Program penalties Congress saddled the airlines with last time they decided to 'help' the hapless air traveler through regulation (Passenger Bill of Rights, anyone?) :rolleyes:

GogglesPisano 05-10-2023 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3634496)
I too prefer the 2008 style of unregulated catastrophe. The weak and poor get what they deserve, amirite?

It's best to read a contract before you sign one (that includes purchasing a commodity.) Or at least google.

Ignorance is a sin.

2008 was caused by too much gov interference. We shouldn't have bailed anyone out.

But I guess some people need daddy gov to govern them harder.


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