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Old 06-18-2023 | 04:28 PM
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Old 06-18-2023 | 05:03 PM
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Good thing Congress put the 737 MAX-7 and all future variants on hold, when demand was returning. How many bribes and kickbacks did they get in return for delaying Boeing deliveries so long that buyers had no choice but to go to Airbus, and Boeing indefinitely put their next narrowbody design on hold?
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Old 06-18-2023 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by flensr
Good thing Congress put the 737 MAX-7 and all future variants on hold, when demand was returning. How many bribes and kickbacks did they get in return for delaying Boeing deliveries so long that buyers had no choice but to go to Airbus, and Boeing indefinitely put their next narrowbody design on hold?
Ive got no sympathy for Boeing. All of their business units have been performing poorly. Until their C-suite pulls it’s head out, Boeing will struggle.
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Old 06-18-2023 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by flensr
Good thing Congress put the 737 MAX-7 and all future variants on hold, when demand was returning. How many bribes and kickbacks did they get in return for delaying Boeing deliveries so long that buyers had no choice but to go to Airbus, and Boeing indefinitely put their next narrowbody design on hold?
Hey, I’m a Boeing stockholder and I wish the company well, but most of Boeing’s problems have been of their own creation, from the T-38 replacement trainer that is going to come in at least two years over schedule (and over budget) to the KC-46 that has been a HUGE black hole for money when it has had problem after problem on basic stuff - like riveting FOD into closed spaces and leaving it in fuel tanks. And that with an airframe (the 767) that was FAA certified 31 years ago. And the less mentioned of the 737 MCAS system the better. And, for that matter, the MAX certification problems are hardly Congresses doing.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...and%20Ethiopia.

Boeing just needs to get its friggin act together.
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Old 06-18-2023 | 06:29 PM
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Demand for passenger jets? Certainly.

Demand for Boeing passenger jets? Probably not.

20 years from now passenger jets will be by Airbus, China variants, and Boeing (if Boeing is even bothering with passenger jets instead of just trolling for open ended US Gov military contracts).

Airbus wasn’t thought of much a threat to US aviation when the A300 debuted in 1976. How times have changed.

There’s a better than even chance China will be top dog of commercial jets by then. It’s a mature technology, and the Chinese are fantastic at creating in bulk.

(Been reading reports about China’s embracing of 5G in their factories and shipping ports. The US uses 5G for TikTok. China uses 5G to load/unload super cargo ships is 80% less time with 75% less personnel. LAX ports are an anachronism compared to China. China today is not the China of 10 years ago.)
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Old 06-18-2023 | 06:43 PM
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Ive got no sympathy for Boeing. All of their business units have been performing poorly. Until their C-suite pulls it’s head out, Boeing will struggle.
how’s that A380 doing? All will be gone from the skies in 12 years. You guys are morons.
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Originally Posted by flensr
Good thing Congress put the 737 MAX-7 and all future variants on hold, when demand was returning. How many bribes and kickbacks did they get in return for delaying Boeing deliveries so long that buyers had no choice but to go to Airbus, and Boeing indefinitely put their next narrowbody design on hold?
WTF?

Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
Ive got no sympathy for Boeing. All of their business units have been performing poorly. Until their C-suite pulls it’s head out, Boeing will struggle.
Yeah, they brought it on themselves, eff 'em.

Hopefully BCA has adjusted their attitude better than the space folks, Orion capsule continues to suffer more self-induced setbacks, no manned flights in the foreseeable future, NASA looking like distancing themselves are possibly ready to cancel. Meanwhile in Brownsville... SpaceX is running rings around Boeing, regular manned launches for 1/3 the price.

EDIT: Correction: Starliner, not Orion.

Maybe the .Gov fraud, waste and abuse market is simply more lucrative and more aligned with their corporate values than private-sector products, which actually have to fly and be certifiable.

It's sad to see what's become of a once-great American institution. Wish we had a barf emoji.
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Old 06-18-2023 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
WTF?



Yeah, they brought it on themselves, eff 'em.

Hopefully BCA has adjusted their attitude better than the space folks, Orion capsule continues to suffer more self-induced setbacks, no manned flights in the foreseeable future, NASA looking like distancing themselves are possibly ready to cancel. Meanwhile in Brownsville... SpaceX is running rings around Boeing, regular manned launches for 1/3 the price.

Maybe the .Gov fraud, waste and abuse market is simply more lucrative and more aligned with their corporate values than private-sector products, which actually have to fly and be certifiable.

It's sad to see what's become of a once-great American institution. Wish we had a barf emoji.
how many Orion capsules have been destroyed vs Space X Starships?
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Old 06-18-2023 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
WTF?



Yeah, they brought it on themselves, eff 'em.

Hopefully BCA has adjusted their attitude better than the space folks, Orion capsule continues to suffer more self-induced setbacks, no manned flights in the foreseeable future, NASA looking like distancing themselves are possibly ready to cancel. Meanwhile in Brownsville... SpaceX is running rings around Boeing, regular manned launches for 1/3 the price.

Maybe the .Gov fraud, waste and abuse market is simply more lucrative and more aligned with their corporate values than private-sector products, which actually have to fly and be certifiable.

It's sad to see what's become of a once-great American institution. Wish we had a barf emoji.
Orion is a joke. Been there, done that in 1968 with Apollo 7.
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Old 06-18-2023 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
wtf?

It's sad to see what's become of a once-great american institution. Wish we had a barf emoji.
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