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rickair7777 11-19-2023 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3726039)
I believe the launch was a resounding success. It acheived its primary goals and then some. Incremental advances, I think Falcon 9, Dragon and Heavy all speak to their ability to solve a problem.

Yes. Given their very ambitious goals with this project, they are doing just fine.

The next launch may not fly the full mission profile either, but it will most likely go further than this one.

I think they are striking an excellenet balance between caution and progress. The government (and to a lesser degree big public aerospace companies) are conservative to a fault, taking years or decades of delays in development and spending hundreds of millions (or more) polishing the apple to a fine gloss before daring to light the candle. Why? Because of the bad public optics of exploding rockets, and political/bureaucratic ramifications.

SpaceX history with their commercially operational launch systems bears this out. They literally turned the entire industry on it's ear with low costs and reusable vehicles.

If you don't like Elon, I suppose there's always boeing space systems... taking Max design philosophy to new heights :rolleyes:

Excargodog 11-19-2023 07:59 AM

Fourteen of the 355 people to ever fly on one of the space shuttles died due to basic engineering inadequacies or operational mismanagement (depending on how you want to define the Challenger out of temperature envelope launch). That's a job (or pax) related STS mortality of 4%. Which, granted, is only one-fourth the mortality of playing Russian roulette one time, but certainly not something that most people would consider to be safe.

Cyio 11-19-2023 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3726059)
See if you can catch a ride on the next one. I'm sure it will be just fine.

So we are moving the goal posts of you absurd argument now, ok got it.

I, nor anyone at SpaceX said anything about people riding one of these test flights. I have no doubt people will be riding on them before the decade closes though.

sailingfun 11-19-2023 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3726088)
So we are moving the goal posts of you absurd argument now, ok got it.

I, nor anyone at SpaceX said anything about people riding one of these test flights. I have no doubt people will be riding on them before the decade closes though.

The plan is to put men on the moon by the end of 2025 using the space x Rocket. They don't have much time.

TransWorld 11-19-2023 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3726101)
The plan is to put men on the moon by the end of 2025 using the space x Rocket. They don't have much time.

...and returning them safely to earth.

When President Kennedy said that in the early 1960's, that plan was not a foregone conclusion.

Excargodog 11-19-2023 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3726103)
...and returning them safely to earth.

When President Kennedy said that in the early 1960's, that plan was not a foregone conclusion.

30 astronauts were selected for Apollo. Afterr killing the Apollo 1 crew without their ever leaving the launch pad the program had several mission failures (Apollo 13 for instance) but no further fatalities. Three dead out of 30Apollo astronauts was a 10% mortality. Not as bad odds as playing Russian roulette even once, but even so...

Tranquility 11-19-2023 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3725912)
Their vehicle blew up. Maybe they should spring for the slide rule. And the vehicle that doesn't blow up. Stop buying discount stages at Rockets R Us. Then again, Elon did say they'd be lucky to make it to stage separation.

Downside: working for Elon.

It didn't blow up, dammit!

It was a "rapid unscheduled disassembly".... 😁

JohnBurke 11-19-2023 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3726088)
So we are moving the goal posts of you absurd argument now, ok got it.

I, nor anyone at SpaceX said anything about people riding one of these test flights. I have no doubt people will be riding on them before the decade closes though.

I know you said nothing about putting people on board. I said that. You quoted me saying it, brightspark.

No one will get on the god damn vehicle because it's not safe. Call that a god damn success if you will.

The ****ing thing blew up. Go figure.


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3726135)
It didn't blow up, dammit!

It was a "rapid unscheduled disassembly".... 😁

No, it wasn't unscheduled. Elon said, before the launch, that they would be lucky to make it to stage separation. They fully expected it to explode, and explode, it did.

hockeypilot44 11-19-2023 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3726101)
The plan is to put men on the moon by the end of 2025 using the space x Rocket. They don't have much time.

The plan is to put women on the moon or anyone that’s not a white man. Their mission goals actually say something along those lines.

at6d 11-19-2023 08:21 PM

Well, just saw my first United Aviate commercial. SR-22s huh? Alright! Well, see ya!


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