GPS Spoofing
01-24-2024, 02:55 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,503
Originally Posted by hercretired
Ron Brown crash required 2 ADFs to fly the approach.
One was installed
One was installed
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But yeah, the plane wasn't equipped to fly the approach legally at all. You can't help but wonder if the aircrew felt sort of pressured to get the VIPs to their trade mission. A few times I've witnessed VIPs trying to strongarm young Captains into doing inadvisable things. I remember one young Captain who was ORDERED by an (unrated) O-6 not to weather divert because he had "an important meeting to get to" the young Captain picked up the clipboard with the flight orders on it, shook his head sadly and said, "Sorry, sir. I'm the one with the asterisk behind my name, we are going to divert." I understand the O-6 had to go to the airlift squadron and publicly apologize. But that was an O-6, not someone in the line of succession to the Presidency, albeit pretty far down.
01-24-2024, 04:54 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,465
Year's ago, an NDB approach was the only approach at the airport I was based at. I got very proficient with NDB approaches and learned from experience to perfer an NDB approach than a VOR approach that used an offsight VOR. It's someonewhat sad to see the demise of the NDB approach but GPS is just way better.
Now, showing my age, I haven't flown an NDB approach in over 20 years. The last time I flew a corporate plane that even had an ADF receiver to do it installed was 2005. When I flew the 145 at Envoy, they had ADF receivers installed but I'm pretty sure NDB approaches weren't approved (feel free to correct me on the last part, I'm no longer there).
Now, showing my age, I haven't flown an NDB approach in over 20 years. The last time I flew a corporate plane that even had an ADF receiver to do it installed was 2005. When I flew the 145 at Envoy, they had ADF receivers installed but I'm pretty sure NDB approaches weren't approved (feel free to correct me on the last part, I'm no longer there).
01-26-2024, 06:02 PM
#13
Strike averted!
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: B737
Posts: 3,645
Originally Posted by highfarfast
Year's ago, an NDB approach was the only approach at the airport I was based at. I got very proficient with NDB approaches and learned from experience to perfer an NDB approach than a VOR approach that used an offsight VOR. It's someonewhat sad to see the demise of the NDB approach but GPS is just way better.
Now, showing my age, I haven't flown an NDB approach in over 20 years. The last time I flew a corporate plane that even had an ADF receiver to do it installed was 2005. When I flew the 145 at Envoy, they had ADF receivers installed but I'm pretty sure NDB approaches weren't approved (feel free to correct me on the last part, I'm no longer there).
Now, showing my age, I haven't flown an NDB approach in over 20 years. The last time I flew a corporate plane that even had an ADF receiver to do it installed was 2005. When I flew the 145 at Envoy, they had ADF receivers installed but I'm pretty sure NDB approaches weren't approved (feel free to correct me on the last part, I'm no longer there).
01-26-2024, 06:06 PM
#14
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Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,109
Originally Posted by Excargodog
I realize that was the requirement to legally fly the approach, however if they'd done no more than tune to the frequency of the second NDB (CV) rather than continuing outbound on the first NDB (KLP) they would have at least missed the mountain and gotten to the missed approach point. Which - as I said - shows US pilots (barring our Alaskan brethren) tend to not be very proficient in ADF approaches.
https://i.ibb.co/bL0Gzkg/IMG-6977.jpghttps://ibb.co/xGkrJNS]https://i.ibb.co/bL0Gzkg/IMG-6977.jpg
But yeah, the plane wasn't equipped to fly the approach legally at all. You can't help but wonder if the aircrew felt sort of pressured to get the VIPs to their trade mission. A few times I've witnessed VIPs trying to strongarm young Captains into doing inadvisable things. I remember one young Captain who was ORDERED by an (unrated) O-6 not to weather divert because he had "an important meeting to get to" the young Captain picked up the clipboard with the flight orders on it, shook his head sadly and said, "Sorry, sir. I'm the one with the asterisk behind my name, we are going to divert." I understand the O-6 had to go to the airlift squadron and publicly apologize. But that was an O-6, not someone in the line of succession to the Presidency, albeit pretty far down.
https://i.ibb.co/bL0Gzkg/IMG-6977.jpghttps://ibb.co/xGkrJNS]https://i.ibb.co/bL0Gzkg/IMG-6977.jpg
But yeah, the plane wasn't equipped to fly the approach legally at all. You can't help but wonder if the aircrew felt sort of pressured to get the VIPs to their trade mission. A few times I've witnessed VIPs trying to strongarm young Captains into doing inadvisable things. I remember one young Captain who was ORDERED by an (unrated) O-6 not to weather divert because he had "an important meeting to get to" the young Captain picked up the clipboard with the flight orders on it, shook his head sadly and said, "Sorry, sir. I'm the one with the asterisk behind my name, we are going to divert." I understand the O-6 had to go to the airlift squadron and publicly apologize. But that was an O-6, not someone in the line of succession to the Presidency, albeit pretty far down.
